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07-17-2017, 10:11 AM #1
boot flex for kid?
the kid will need new boots next winter
his boot this year was a 2015 nordica patron jr in 24-24.5
he's sort of getting to the in-between for kid/adult sizing and i'm not looking forward to adult pricing
he is 12, will be 13 going into winter
100# now, guessing he'll add a few by then
5'-1 now, prolly add an inch by then
advanced skier, skis whole hill without hesitation but not a racer
not a park rat but will jump stuff
what flex should i be looking for?
i've thought maybe a women's boot in lieu of a junior but don't need to overdo it in the stiffness
at some point in the fall, i'll have to get him fitted but my scottish heritage is nevertheless eyeballing summer sales
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07-17-2017, 10:18 AM #2
Paging XavierD
As someone who taught kids for a while and who has seen E ski, I'd say your gut feeling not to overdo the stiffness is a good idea. Better for him to really learn how to ski dynamically and flex his ankles as his body changes than be in too stiff of boot that encourages static (and backseat) skiing. Take him to a shop and see what boots he can flex but doesn't mush through. That's probably a good start.
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07-17-2017, 10:29 AM #3Registered User
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I take a 24 and it's right below men's sizing, usually women's models but I'm 160/fading advanced whereas a womens size 24 has flex for a lighter person and that's a problem for me, also it eliminates half the boot models out there for me
If junior is only 100 lbs the women's boots shouldn't be too stiff
Junior boots are I think smaller than 24? They have never been on my radar
I did find a Dalbello 4 buckle overlap that was not gender specific and went down to 24Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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07-17-2017, 10:30 AM #4
thx LS
def appreciate your input
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07-17-2017, 10:33 AM #5
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07-17-2017, 11:45 AM #6
My kid is 13, ~105# but taller at 5'7" is in and adult boot now with his size 10 foot. 26.5ish
I go w FT (6 flex) or Dalbello 3 piece (softer). You can swap tongues the next year if he doesn't outgrow the boot. The other advantage is you can get an intuition and remold it the following year after he grows a bit. I'd look for decent deals on these in summer."timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
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07-17-2017, 11:53 AM #7
cool, thank you!
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07-17-2017, 11:59 AM #8
Np.
Ebay has some decent deals sometimes as long as you're comfortable with ordering correct size.
On the new, returnable front BC has
https://www.backcountry.com/full-til...-boot-mens?s=a
or if he's a bit wider foot and needs softer...
https://www.backcountry.com/full-til...boot-mens?rr=t
The intuition provides a decent 2 yr fudge factor as it can take up some room in yr #1 and then be expanded in yr #2.
Btw XXX, boys this age are pretty fickle about wearing women's boots. All it takes is for one kid to say something and..."timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
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07-17-2017, 12:13 PM #9
If he's going adult boot, make sure the boot doesn't have too much volume around his lower leg. "Broom in bucket" effect bad for skiing and increases possibility of leg injury.
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07-17-2017, 01:35 PM #10
I suspect cool factor may be more important than fit to him
I have shell fit him various boots over the years and it's sort of funny what sort of "logical" arguments he'll make if he determines it doesn't suit his vibe
#futurelawyervibes
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07-17-2017, 01:36 PM #11Registered User
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depending on yer foot sometimes you got no choice, just sand off the pink logo eh
My 1st AT boot was the Garmont Xena which was the powder blue womens version of the more manly silver & red (faster eh) endorphin but it fit, I eventualy moved on to the more androgynous mercury then the vulcan ... gave the Xena's to my girlfriend
Most mens boot stop at 25 take the scarpa Maestrale ferinstance its sizing stops at 25 and then it becomes the GEA which I can easily blow thru the flex, if the toe box actualy fit me I could probably break the GEA in < a month
I am such a big Vulcan fanboy cuz it goes down to 23 in non-gender specific sizing and the Dalbello Surge 4 buckle alpine goes to 24 in clear PU plastic and no pink writing ...look for something non gender specific if you canLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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07-17-2017, 01:40 PM #12Registered User
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07-17-2017, 01:44 PM #13
Full tilt is a good option as well, maintain the lateral stiffness but a nice soft progress flex can be achieved w the cabrio build.
I rip the groomed on tele gear
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07-17-2017, 01:57 PM #14
Bob, you could have just removed the "s"
"timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
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07-17-2017, 02:12 PM #15
Avoid the temptation to put him into a boot he will "grow" into. This may mean 1 season out of the boots before he grows out of them again, but boots that are too big will suck for him as much as they would suck for you but he won't know to complain.
At that size and weight look for a flex rating of @ 90 +/- 10.Move upside and let the man go through...
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Why not the same boot? Nordica Patron Team goes up to a 26.5, as does the Tecnica version (Cochise Jr). Unless he's crushing the flex or his feet are starting to grow in volume (so the proper length boot is too tight) no need to go to adult boots yet IMO.
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07-17-2017, 03:00 PM #17
ha, true
we do have a local where we could try them
generous offer, will let you know
good thoughts, thank you
good question...i think it's a 65 flex in the largest sizes...that was part of my wondering what people thought of that for 100+# skier
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07-17-2017, 03:26 PM #18Registered User
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100% agree. I was put into size 29 boots as a young teen. Skied in them for 5+ years, before I made enough money to buy a different pair—I now wear size 26 as an adult. Honestly don't know how I skied reasonably well in them for that long, but you adapt I guess. My shoe size hasn't changed since 7th grade.
OP: I would consider the Dalbello cabrio boots (or Full Tilt) so you have the ability to change out the tongues if he gets bigger/stronger and his foot doesn't change size. I like Dalbello more because they have a more anatomical last, IMHO, but Full Tilt might be easier to score for cheap.
There are also kids race boots (e.g., Lange RS SC and Head B5), but they are more for the opposite problem from your kid: short hard charger with a small foot. Your kid seems light with a pretty large foot."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
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07-17-2017, 03:41 PM #19
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07-17-2017, 04:18 PM #20
This is TGR.
Your kid needs 140 flex Lange racing boots.
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07-17-2017, 04:45 PM #21Registered User
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What you do to spin it with a teeneager is find the boot and then figure out what hot shot skier is spancered by the company
When I met her the GF was in a pair of 26.5 Dalbellos with fur lining but she fits my old size 24 Garmont Xena perfectly
Her 4'9" daughter is now using the 26.5 Dalbellos
the old GF was an actual size 38.5/23 mondo and she had size 26 Garmont tele boots
i think lots of people are in boots that are comfortable boots because they are too bigLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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07-17-2017, 07:50 PM #22
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07-17-2017, 07:55 PM #23
Regarding the oversized boots posts above, I still think he's still in the "comfort fit" world until he tells me he wants a more precise fit
I'll let him figure that out -- I suspect he'll get to a day when he wants some more responsiveness. Until then, I think I just need to make sure he's not floating in there.
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07-17-2017, 08:42 PM #24
Women's boots sound like a bad idea. They are not designed for skinny kid legs. They are designed with a woman's lower calf taper in mind. In other words, they are typically lower and wider in the cuff than their male equivalents.
I would imagine 70 to 90 flex big kid boots would be good.
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07-17-2017, 09:31 PM #25
My best friend's son used to wear his sisters clothes and shoes. He's now a successful dancer on Broadway.
If your boy wants women's boots, embrace it, and tell him you'll still love him."timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
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