No More Kingpin?

**Meadow Skipper** · 06-29-2017, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

I have a couple pairs of G3 skins and they've been great.

Yeah, I really like my Ions, more than my Verticals, and G3 has some good skins out there. Seems like all bindings have had their problems, all skin makers have put out some bad glue batches, most all ski makers have had issues, etc. etc. But back to my original point, G3 doesn't suck because they're defending their patent.

Those Targa tele bindings sucked donkey...but they were better than Superloops.

**XXX-er** · 06-29-2017, 07:09 PM

I've had issues with 3 brands of skin, all the glue phucks up IME so you better lear to reglue skins if you wana ski tour

I've had the Rad1 blow up and leave me spooning a tree

if i was buying tech right now it would be ion or kingpin

**skibum93** · 06-29-2017, 09:51 PM

Doesn't Atomic have a very similar touring binding in the wings?
That would still keep competition in the US, since the Dynafit Beast series is being discontinued

**gregL** · 06-29-2017, 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by skibum93

Doesn't Atomic have a very similar touring binding in the wings?

The Atomic binding I think you're referring to bears no resemblance to either the Kingpin or Ion . . .

**meter-man** · 06-30-2017, 03:01 PM

From Lou: https://www.wildsnow.com/22871/ski-w...-discontinued/

**Spats** · 07-01-2017, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by Spyderjon

According to my Marker source this is a US only problem, all other regions of the world are unaffected. Bet G3 are wishing they had a worldwide patent now. This has been going on since 2015 so it looks like G3 took action as soon as the Kingpin was launched.

There's no such thing as a worldwide patent. Each country has their own procedure.

There is something called the PCT (Patent Cooperation Treaty) that's supposed to allow central filing and somewhat harmonize the process between countries, but it doesn't work very well and each country is free to completely ignore the PCT office's recommendations. Most places just get a US patent, big companies with legal staff will often add Canada, Germany, and the UK.

This is why Canadian bicycle companies like Devinci used the Horst link for world bikes and switched to a regular four-bar for American bikes: the Horst Link patent was only in the USA. (It's since expired.)

**Angle Parking** · 07-01-2017, 10:21 PM

So does this mean there's going to be a run on Kingpins?

**1000-oaks** · 07-01-2017, 11:50 PM

^ Sounds like it's already happening.

**Angle Parking** · 07-02-2017, 12:07 AM

Think I'll go pay my local store a visit on Monday. Love those bindings.

**galibier_numero_un** · 07-02-2017, 11:02 AM

I'm guessing that Marker has too much invested in this to not settle and license the brakes for next season, while likely working on an alternate solution.

... Thom

SB · 07-05-2017, 07:29 AM

What is the going rate on KPs today?

**jackstraw** · 07-05-2017, 08:17 AM

Forbear lawyer speak.

So the G3 skin trim cutter is da balz!

**johnnyg82** · 07-05-2017, 09:17 AM

In stock in Canada: https://www.mec.ca/en/search?text=ki...g_text=kingpin

https://www.corbetts.com/searchresul..._query=kingpin

**reckless toboggan** · 07-05-2017, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by scottyb

What is the going rate on KPs today?

KP futures look good. Seems like a "buy" to me.

**reckless toboggan** · 07-05-2017, 02:47 PM

But then sell right before they make the licensing deal.

Obviously.

**mntlion** · 07-06-2017, 07:40 AM

this issue is in the US only. Canada and the EU still have kingpins avail and for sale.

**skibass** · 07-10-2017, 01:57 PM

Pretty happy I grabbed an extra set of kingpins at the end of last season. Best tech binding on the market hands down. Hope it gets resolved by the time I need a new set.

**westoxified** · 07-10-2017, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by skibum93

Doesn't SALOMON have THE touring binding in the wings?
That would still keep competition in the US, since the Dynafit Beast series is being discontinued

FIFY

**doebedoe** · 07-10-2017, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by westoxified

FIFY

I think you mispelled Fritischi.

Assuming THE touring binding is one with an alpine like heel.

**westoxified** · 07-10-2017, 03:52 PM

nope

waiting in the wings

**CaliBrit** · 07-10-2017, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by Spats

There's no such thing as a worldwide patent. Each country has their own procedure.

There is something called the PCT (Patent Cooperation Treaty) that's supposed to allow central filing and somewhat harmonize the process between countries, but it doesn't work very well and each country is free to completely ignore the PCT office's recommendations. Most places just get a US patent, big companies with legal staff will often add Canada, Germany, and the UK.

This is why Canadian bicycle companies like Devinci used the Horst link for world bikes and switched to a regular four-bar for American bikes: the Horst Link patent was only in the USA. (It's since expired.)

This info is largely garbage. Carry on.

**blur** · 07-14-2017, 12:03 PM

Have never ordered from them, but looks like they a boat load of kingpin's and ship to US.

http://salesportinggoods.com/product...dings-2017.htm

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**blur** · 07-14-2017, 12:06 PM

Just tested the link, some reason it doesn't go to the kingpin's, select all manufacturer and select marker and they will be there.

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**cstefanic** · 07-14-2017, 02:07 PM

FYI I wouldn't trust an outdoors company where this is their address:
No 1 Bukit Batok Central Link, #02-19 West Mall Singapore 658713 Level L4 No.8 A

Originally Posted by blur

Have never ordered from them, but looks like they a boat load of kingpin's and ship to US.

http://salesportinggoods.com/product...dings-2017.htm

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