Caroline Gleich Harrassment Story

[Meadow Skipper]

SFB - I’ve got mad respect for you as one of the true OG mags and for holding down the BCC stoke. But you’re wrong here.

CGs post wasn’t complaining about not passing Avy 3. It was about some other made up controversy that again, men who did the same thing got a pass on. The comments made to her that she shared are extremely inappropriate and also demonstrative of what CG and many other women go through everyday. Online or IRL. They were shared to show the no-win nature of the situation these women are in.

Remember years ago how she would get criticized as “just a ski model” cause she was the face on the Bird’s billboard? So then she becomes a ski mountaineer and ticks off some of the biggest projects on the Wasatch and now those same people are saying she can’t clip in, or ski with friends, or follow a pitch before she leads it. It all sounds bitter and hollow and meant to tear her down.

Nobody here is saying that she should have passed that class. There is no way for anyone to know. But what is clear is the instructor held her status as a sponsored woman athlete against her. That is what is so fucked up.

The victim blaming and “shut up and ski” rhetoric in this thread shows the same thing.

Everyone is entitled to have a bad day without an internet mob going after them. Male athletes don’t have to go through the level of scrutiny in the same way. That’s just the truth of the matter. Sure the harassment and trolls may “come with the territory” but does that mean CG isn’t allowed to call it out? Or try to make it better?

I agree, wholeheartedly, and I also think that tfw and sfb seem to have other axes to grind and are looking past what CG's article was about.

[Supermoon]

Caroline?

I think you are missing the point. CG is receiving my ADVICE. Same advice my two pro skier offspring of either sex would receive.
Pick your battles.
Don't be a target.
Don't alienate men.
Don't alienate the local professional community.
Don't be remembered for always saying "Am, too".
Let your actions speak for yourself, instead. Same as her instructors tried to say.
Tried to watch her flick, but at three minutes or so, it became about harassment and she lost me.
She lost a number of women I know there, too.

So, yeah, the advice I would be to Caroline is the same as I would give my own daughter; shut up and ski.

Hey man, you want to be an internet misogynist douche face, you do you. But at least own it. Don’t pretend to be some hero.

[telefreewasatch]

Hey man, you want to be an internet misogynist douche face, you do you. But at least own it. Don’t pretend to be some hero.

Caroline?

[Self Jupiter]

You've just completely shattered my every conception of right and wrong, good and bad, and life and death.

Dannnngggg edgy comment

WTF are you on about?

[::: :::]

^^^ I believe it was tongue in cheek

[Self Jupiter]

I think you are missing the point. CG is receiving my ADVICE. Same advice my two pro skier offspring of either sex would receive.
Pick your battles.
Don't be a target.
Don't alienate men.
Don't alienate the local professional community.
Don't be remembered for always saying "Am, too".
Let your actions speak for yourself, instead. Same as her instructors tried to say.
Tried to watch her flick, but at three minutes or so, it became about harassment and she lost me.
She lost a number of women I know there, too.

So, yeah, the advice I would be to Caroline is the same as I would give my own daughter; shut up and ski.

I bet she thinks getting stalked is cool

She was harassed so she’s talking about it.. some of us can handle hearing her talk about it.

[telefreewasatch]

[QUOTE=Supermoon;5377093]Hey man, you want to be an internet misogynist douche face, you do you. But at least own it. Don’t pretend to be some hero.[/QUOT

Do you even know the meaning of the word misogynist? Both you and her toss it around pretty lightly and freely.
Am I pretending to be some hero?
I think not.

[Meadow Skipper]

Do you even know the meaning of the word misogynist? Both you and her toss it around pretty lightly and freely.
Am I pretending to be some hero?
I think not.

Maybe I don't know the meaning of the word misogynist. What does it have with "pretending to be some hero"?

[Self Jupiter]

^^^ I believe it was tongue in cheek

So more flippant bullshit in the face of a pro talking about the day to day? Something I hope we would all encourage, as fans.

Thanks for proving my point above- Am I missing something? Not trying to be an ass, I miss the point sometimes.

[::: :::]

SJ, I’m not following what you’re on about. I think there was no disrespect intended. Some peeps are trying to bring some humor to this thread.

[Self Jupiter]

Appreciate it. I don’t always follow online sarcasm. Came across as flaming / trolling to me. I’ll take a lap!

And I’ll delete it if RT confirms

[Self Jupiter]

Some people organize against fascism, others against the perception of not being taken seriously as an Avalanche 3 student due to instagram commoditization.

"Like clockwork, I blow it all
And get some more
Get you somebody that can do both"

[Supermoon]

Do you even know the meaning of the word misogynist? Both you and her toss it around pretty lightly and freely.
Am I pretending to be some hero?
I think not.

Um, yeah, I know what it means. “Dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.” Seems like that explains your attitude pretty well to me. I actually rarely call people out for stuff like that and give others the benefit of the doubt, but lots of people have shown their true colors in this thread.

The whole “I teach my kids real respect” shit is pretty played. Like telling that same old sexist tropes to young people makes it better.

[happytimefunbox]

Stay woke social justices warriors! The world needs you rallying against injustice! Percieved or otherwise

[Meadow Skipper]

Stay woke social justices warriors! The world needs you rallying against injustice! Percieved or otherwise

Huh, for a counterpoint you could say 'stay bigoted, family values patriots! The current trend toward misogyny and racism will buoy you through your anger, misplaced or otherwise.'

[Supermoon]

Stay woke social justices warriors! The world needs you rallying against injustice! Percieved or otherwise

Thank you for your reasoned and thoughtful comment.

[Danno]

[skifishbum]

your perception on what that article was about
and mine are radically different
and ill cop to not gettin it i dont fanboi follow anyone nor give a fuck about being followed
i dont buy anything based on athletic spansership
i buy the shit my cheap ski bum ass gets the hookup on
and if i didnt read it here or on the flyflingin equivalent of here
i wouldnt even know what your fukcucking talking about
and im pretty stoked the chick i choose to marry and who spansers me shares my perspective
i hopes she moves away from objective based skiing and goes back and skis a bunch of good variations of the named objectives in the book and the ones that aint in it and gains a pleasure in just skiing
and acquires the skills one would need to garner an avvy 3 certification
so there wouldnt even need to be an article
that "no one even got paid for"

[SirHeady]

Huh, for a counterpoint you could say 'stay bigoted, family values patriots! The current trend toward misogyny and racism will buoy you through your anger, misplaced or otherwise.'

Lol... we live in a post racial society. There is no Jim Crow, upward mobility is ubuquitous amongst all demographics provided they work to achieve their goals, black unemployment is at a historic low, so is female and latino unemployment, Gays can get married and now Pride parades are apparently a happening thing for progressive Cis-gendeed straight, urban millenislas to attend. How can a racist society allow Indians and Asians to constitute the highest earning demographic in America?? Racism/Inequality is a political football used by the left to keep African Americans and Latinos in their back pocket as a voting bloc.

The only people who are clamoring about inequality in this nation are those who are clueless, uninformed, or continue to pimp it for nefarious purposes and ulterior motives.

[Meadow Skipper]

Lol... we live in a post racial society. There is no Jim Crow, upward mobility is ubuquitous amongst all demographics provided they work to achieve their goals, black unemployment is at a historic low, so is female and latino unemployment, Gays can get married and now Pride parades are apparently a happening thing for progressive Cis-gendeed straight, urban millenislas to attend. How can a racist society allow Indians and Asians to constitute the highest earning demographic in America?? Racism/Inequality is a political football used by the left to keep African Americans and Latinos in their back pocket as a voting bloc.

The only people who are clamoring about inequality in this nation are those who are clueless, uninformed, or continue to pimp it for nefarious purposes and ulterior motives.

Heh. You're a white guy, right? Salt Lake City, right? Thanks for chiming in, very amusing.

[SirHeady]

Heh. You're a white guy, right? Salt Lake City, right? Thanks for chiming in, very amusing.

I'm actually part Hispanic but nice try profiling me. If I was a liberal or worked for POW I guess I'd call your comment a "Microaggression"?

[skifishbum]

im pretty curious as to the next time i run into ski atl
if hes gonna tell me your really not
the clueless deep south heady fuckstick of mornic kookala conspircy theory's that you payed a institute of higher learning to get
that you portray on the webs

[Meadow Skipper]

I'm actually part Hispanic but nice try profiling me. If I was a liberal or worked for POW I guess I'd call your comment a "Microaggression"?

I see, so since you’re “part Hispanic” living in Utah you feel comfortable speaking for African Americans, gays, and full Latinos? And women? rotfl

[dunfree]

Thank you for your reasoned and thoughtful comment.

As the board drips with the casual sexism Caroline correctly objects too dismissing you as an internet sjw is about right.

Given she's trying to be a guide she should expect questions of her leadership experience and leadership skills. Men get them too from what I've heard, and there's more than one rock god or ripping skier that didn't make guide because they failed to capably lead clients. Leadership is separate from the skiing skills & the mountain skills and that advice seemed to me well intentioned and reasonable.

[Meadow Skipper]

Given she's trying to be a guide she should expect questions of her leadership experience and leadership skills. Men get them too from what I've heard, and there's more than one rock god or ripping skier that didn't make guide because they failed to capably lead clients. Leadership is separate from the skiing skills & the mountain skills and that advice seemed to me well intentioned and reasonable.

Except that wasn’t an AMGA test, it was avy 3. Different institutions.