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    Quote Originally Posted by klar View Post
    okay, I saw your edit. Sure, some of the issues surrounding body image and beauty standards in general are partly or fully on women. But considering action sports specifically, I do not feel like I was ever given a meaningful choice about what kind of people model the products I might like to buy. I would much prefer to buy something that is advertised with imagery of a woman ripping at whatever she does, not with imagery of a woman looking cute. I do not think women want to buy skis or a mountain bike because the model in the ad has good hair. A model looking sexy does not make me want to buy a sports bra. Some brands are starting to come round, but by and large the percentage of cute vs ripping females in ads for sports stuff is pretty skewed. There seems to be some assumption that women like images of attractive women, simply because there are so many images of attractive women. This issue has been widely discussed especially in surfing, for example after that roxy ad for a bikini that showed a pro surfer showering and rolling around in bed but not actually surfing.

    I am not claiming that I know the answer to why there are so few women in action sports, by the way. I do feel that the outdoor/action sports industry is in many ways not a level playing field. There have been some interesting discussions about gender stereotypes and nature vs nurture in past threads.



    How does one combat any kind of crime? Telling kids not to do something will never have a perfect success rate and neither will clear legal definitions of crimes and corresponding and routinely enforced punishments, but those things are an important start. Just because there are no perfect solutions doesn't mean doing nothing is a viable option. The line between free speech and harassment seems more blurry on the internet than in an offline setting (people seem to agree the voicemail crossed a line. is that really so different from an email?), probably because the internet hasn't been around that long and legal regulations of any kind are hard to establish, let alone enforce.

    I get that solutions are not easy to come by but this is a problem that wont just go away and, as you pointed out, simply not using social media or the internet in general is not an option. Social norms (and laws too, I think) will have to adjust to new forms of communication tech and patterns.
    Typing negative statements about a public figure in an open forum is "rude" but a fact of life.
    Tracking down the phone number of a public figure and leaving a nasty message says this person is obsessed and creepy.

    What happens next? We are talking about someone who is easily identifiable and accessible. Who happens to spend a good deal of time in remote places.

    The Stalker need to be called out.

    Caroline has put herself in the public eye. But I don't think that is a green light for someone to harass her.

    If all of us who use the internet allow this type of behavior, It ruins it for everyone.

    I would suspect the police already know who the stalker is, and will be watching.

    To add, as of now I suspect a lot more people now know the name "Caroline Gleich"
    So there is that.
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    can she ski better than ingrid ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitaldeath View Post
    can she ski better than ingrid ?
    Decide for yourself.
    She has a good bit of Ski Porn on the Internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitaldeath View Post
    can she ski better than ingrid ?
    No, but you're setting a pretty high bar there.

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    a powder skiing vid?

    lame
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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    No, but you're setting a pretty high bar there.
    i thought u knew me J ?



    my cursory understanding is caroline is somehow an ex model?? trust funder with spancers

    who gives a fuck and why is she whining?

    be a big girl and head to the gach or stfu
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    Just because I can be an asshole doesn't mean I should condone either my behavior or someone elses. The 'facts of life' are obvious. Step up or shut up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klar View Post
    and one more time re. the Caroline Gleich thing: she apparently has some kind of stalker who is harassing her. Whether or not anyone likes her or whether she is more model or athlete seems to me about as relevant to this issue as whether she prefers pizza or pasta for lunch. Why exactly is the discussion primarily about people's feelings about her, rather than, say, about how to combat and prevent this kind of harassment?
    Well said.

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    Oh the saltiness.

    Ps. Caroline Gleich rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitaldeath View Post
    head to the gach or stfu


    Didn't really want to respond but it was a good excuse to post a nice video.

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    Watch These Snowboarder Girls Beat the Hell Out of Each Other on Closing Day at a California Resort - The Inertia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ski. Fish. Bike. View Post
    Oh the saltiness.

    Ps. Caroline Gleich rules.
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzz


    u fucking bum
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    Quote Originally Posted by teledad View Post


    Didn't really want to respond but it was a good excuse to post a nice video.
    nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by MTT View Post
    Decide for yourself.
    She has a good bit of Ski Porn on the Internet.
    Average skiing at best There are about 10 women in the RVR who can ski and probably climb better than her. They just aren't into the self promotion/social media aspect.

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    you could make bunny look sick skiing blower pow too
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    Quote Originally Posted by skideeppow View Post
    Average skiing at best There are about 10 women in the RVR who can ski and probably climb better than her. They just aren't into the self promotion/social media aspect.
    What is the RVR.

    I agree there are many very accomplished women out there. Who do not make a living from Skiing or mountaineering.

    Caroline Does make her living? as a professional Skier / Back Country Skier?
    I had never heard of her until this thread was started. It appears she has been fairly successful for quite some time.
    I guess her latest accomplishments are something that sets her apart? Keeps her relevant in an industry with a good bit of competition.

    Regardless the subject of the thread = Unacceptable to cross that line between open negativity on the internet and tracking someone down to take it further.

    KLAR nailed it some time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phildo_Baggins View Post
    You know that criticizing a woman on how she speaks or how she "just rubs you the wrong way" is a classic way for men to dismiss women, right?
    Uptalk and vocal fry is really annoying and makes it hard to listen to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skideeppow View Post
    They just aren't into the self promotion/social media aspect.
    Social Media takes more than just being a good skier. It takes hard work, determination, and at least a modicum of skill at photography and social engagement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skideeppow View Post
    Average skiing at best There are about 10 women in the RVR who can ski and probably climb better than her. They just aren't into the self promotion/social media aspect.
    Agreed, but so what? Honestly, good average pow skiing is pretty damn fun and IMO the biggest difference between those "getting after it" or not has to do with commitment, like waking up before sunrise and getting out to the trailhead early. That kind of stuff. Maybe that's the new "rad" and maybe that's a good thing?

    Also, if someone isn't into the social media thing that's cool, but bitching about obvious reality is kinda lame.
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    What's more impressive: Gleich skinning for multiple 3,000' vert runs every day in the Wasatch or Dyer dropping steep lines from a heli?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    What's more impressive: Gleich skinning for multiple 3,000' vert runs every day in the Wasatch or Dyer dropping steep lines from a heli?
    I would hope there is an audience for both. And would depend on the product. Filming editing the talent and all that stuff.
    That said a women doing a bunch of technical BC lines is less common than Heli lines at this point.

    Now that I have learned who Gleich is. I better not read about her dying in a fucking avalanche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    What's more impressive: Gleich skinning for multiple 3,000' vert runs every day in the Wasatch or Dyer dropping steep lines from a heli?
    Off topic but please tell me more about these 3k vert runs in the 'satch, I have yet to find one that's not interrupted by 3 flat benches...

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    Quote Originally Posted by teledad View Post


    Didn't really want to respond but it was a good excuse to post a nice video.
    I don't/didn't know Caroline or Liz but as a fellow Industry Douchebag, I appreciated this video. Caroline, keep doing your thing and RIP Liz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digitaldeath View Post
    you could make bunny look sick skiing blower pow too
    ......depends, once again you're setting a pretty high bar.
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    No offense to either Gleich or Dyer, but I've met them both, politely complimented them on their skiing videos, etc and both had the personalities of a wooden block.

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