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  1. #26
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    Would take a historic kind of slide to catch you on the stair master!
    Brandine: Now Cletus, if I catch you with pig lipstick on your collar one more time you ain't gonna be allowed to sleep in the barn no more!
    Cletus: Duly noted.

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    Snow in the PNW 2019-20

    "We're only skinning up, it's not like you're going to die, what are you so worried about?"

    JFC

    I hope these are not folks you're in the BC with frequently... or again.

    "I found it curious that one of the guides on the trip said he skis with an airbag when freeskiing, but doesn't use one while guiding because he feels it would give his clients reason to doubt his terrain management/snowpack evaluation."

    This is also a bit of a head shaker.

    This was a "real" guide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post

    those folks called me out in the morning one day and chided me for having my airbag turned on and the trigger out to start the day. "We're only skinning up, it's not like you're going to die, what are you so worried about?"
    These people sound clueless. FWIW, everyone I ski with that has a canister pack treats it like a beacon. Trigger available in avalanche terrain and put away when loading it back in the truck.

    I do think the fan packs are nice for being able to deploy multiple times, but realistically if I'm on a hut trip and I have to deploy my one shot canister bag, I think I'd dial it way back after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    "I found it curious that one of the guides on the trip said he skis with an airbag when freeskiing, but doesn't use one while guiding because he feels it would give his clients reason to doubt his terrain management/snowpack evaluation."
    Guides that really know what they are doing carry a miniaturized search only beacon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    As a counterpoint, I used a JetForce 2.0 (the 30L version) for a week recently, and I'll be buying one in the near future. Canister airbag packs are rapidly becoming obsolete. Multiple inflations on a single charge, larger volume airbag, auto-deflate, self-diagnostic, and the weight difference is negligible is you're already committed to carrying an airbag. It felt a little small for a 30L pack, but was workable for mid-winter touring. Something in the 35-40L stated volume would be perfect, but I ski with a 42L Osprey pack as my usual touring pack, so I'm used to having a lot of space.

    Multiple deployments is a big feature, in my $0.02, because it means you are going to spend more of your time out there with the trigger out and the pack armed/turned on. To me, it seems foolish to take the weight penalty of carrying an airbag to only have it in a usable state for about 150 seconds per ski day because you're concerned about inadvertently triggering it. It would really suck to get slid on your ascent while your airbag trigger is zipped away in the shoulder strap. I treat it like a beacon: on at the car, off at the bar.

    This is neither canister or fan driven airbag related, but I found it curious that one of the guides on the trip said he skis with an airbag when freeskiing, but doesn't use one while guiding because he feels it would give his clients reason to doubt his terrain management/snowpack evaluation.

    ETA: the auto-deflate is also a potentially valuable advantage that fan driven airbags have over canister ones.
    Thanks, good feedback. Honestly the main reason I even want an airbag is for hut trips or if I ever actually make it to Japan. Guided hut trips scare me more than the usual touring I do in the Whistler area with my buddy, precisely because of boneheads who would say "you aren't going to die" skinning up, huge groups etc. Not that an airbag changes risk assessment at all, but if you get surprised or someone in the group does something stupid it might help. In my 12 years touring I've set off one SA 2 (completely my fault) that I was lucky to ski out of, if I had been entrained an airbag would've likely helped.

    Ended up getting the Voltair from my buddy. $900CAD new with tags.

  6. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by PNWbrit View Post
    "We're only skinning up, it's not like you're going to die, what are you so worried about?"

    JFC

    I hope these are not folks you're in the BC with frequently... or again.

    "I found it curious that one of the guides on the trip said he skis with an airbag when freeskiing, but doesn't use one while guiding because he feels it would give his clients reason to doubt his terrain management/snowpack evaluation."

    This is also a bit of a head shaker.

    This was a "real" guide?
    Not regular BC partners, I snagged a last minute opening on a guided week at a hut, so I went in not knowing anyone else on the trip. There were some folks who could have charitably been called liabilities. Some solid folks too, but a disconcerting number of ski-pole probes and shovels the size of garden trowels in the crew.

    Yes, the guide who said that is an ACMG certified ski and rock guide.

    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post

    I do think the fan packs are nice for being able to deploy multiple times, but realistically if I'm on a hut trip and I have to deploy my one shot canister bag, I think I'd dial it way back after that.
    Oh absolutely, I agree with that 100%. However, I can see having another deployment available as potentially impacting my decision to ski at all for the remainder of the trip after an incident that would cause me to trigger it in the first place. That's just my own paranoia and not a position I'm advocating for. Just sharing my $0.02.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    Not regular BC partners, I snagged a last minute opening on a guided week at a hut, so I went in not knowing anyone else on the trip. There were some folks who could have charitably been called liabilities. Some solid folks too, but a disconcerting number of ski-pole probes and shovels the size of garden trowels in the crew.
    Sounds like the guide should have better prepared them with a real gear list? "ski-pole probes - not acceptable substitute for real probe. Shovels full size, metal only"

    Yes, the guide who said that is an ACMG certified ski and rock guide.
    And wearing an air bag diminishes his clients confidence in his training. skills AND Qualifications?... yep that's definitely not the industry standard procedure these days.
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