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  1. #601
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    I have a 27 Pro Tour in my 26/26.5 shell working well. I just tried a 27 Tour Wrap and it was way too big, at least 1 cm longer than the pro tour. I was looking for a little more forward stiffness to ski in the resort without a big hit in walkability. Looking for a 26 Tour Wrap now.

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  2. #602
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    ^Been pretty psyched on the Tour Wrap for that purpose. I'll probably still toss in the factory liner for longer days but otherwise haven't noticed much of a decrease in ROM with the Tour Wrap.

  3. #603
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    Has anyone tried on the Atomic Hawx Prime XTD (wider-last version of this boot)? I'm hoping they didn't also widen the heel pocket.

  4. #604
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jongle View Post
    Has anyone tried on the Atomic Hawx Prime XTD (wider-last version of this boot)? I'm hoping they didn't also widen the heel pocket.
    I have and they didnít. Improved liner but still will use a pro tour.


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  5. #605
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    Quote Originally Posted by HAB View Post
    Thanks. Did you go 27 or 28 for the liner, into a 27.5 shell? Intuition says round up for the Pro Tour but I'm wary since the Hawx shell runs a little short, and I'm tight on overall volume.
    27 liner in a 27/27.5 shell. Would not go up for my personal shell fit. Felt like pure unfiltered suffering before molding. Is perfect post molding.

  6. #606
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffmedic84 View Post
    I have and they didn’t. Improved liner but still will use a pro tour.


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    One note on the new Mimic liner in the new Hawx Prime XTD (also in the Ultra XTD, Ultra, and Prime)- this liner has a fully remoldable plastic tongue, plastic cuff, and ankle/heel pocket that fully shapes when heated and fully hardens around your foot and leg. As an Intuition user prior to joining Atomic, it blows Intuition out of the water. This liner is unlike anything currently on the market. Swapping it out for an Intuition would be a big miss.

    Keep your eyes peeled for a new podcast with Blister where will dive deeper into this new tech.

  7. #607
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    Quote Originally Posted by onenerdykid View Post
    One note on the new Mimic liner in the new Hawx Prime XTD (also in the Ultra XTD, Ultra, and Prime)- this liner has a fully remoldable plastic tongue, plastic cuff, and ankle/heel pocket that fully shapes when heated and fully hardens around your foot and leg. As an Intuition user prior to joining Atomic, it blows Intuition out of the water. This liner is unlike anything currently on the market. Swapping it out for an Intuition would be a big miss.

    Keep your eyes peeled for a new podcast with Blister where will dive deeper into this new tech.
    Damn dude.
    Was hoping to pick up xtds on sale as season winds down. Now you got me thinking I need to wait and try this magic liner.....

    Edit: any other updates to ultra xtd next year?

  8. #608
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    Quote Originally Posted by onenerdykid View Post
    One note on the new Mimic liner in the new Hawx Prime XTD (also in the Ultra XTD, Ultra, and Prime)- this liner has a fully remoldable plastic tongue, plastic cuff, and ankle/heel pocket that fully shapes when heated and fully hardens around your foot and leg. As an Intuition user prior to joining Atomic, it blows Intuition out of the water. This liner is unlike anything currently on the market. Swapping it out for an Intuition would be a big miss.

    Keep your eyes peeled for a new podcast with Blister where will dive deeper into this new tech.
    Iíve heard good things, Iím just cautious because you always hear about improved liners and they end up being subpar. I should have a pair coming in the next month or so. Excited to try out the new liner.



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  9. #609
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    Quote Originally Posted by onenerdykid View Post
    One note on the new Mimic liner in the new Hawx Prime XTD (also in the Ultra XTD, Ultra, and Prime)- this liner has a fully remoldable plastic tongue, plastic cuff, and ankle/heel pocket that fully shapes when heated and fully hardens around your foot and leg. As an Intuition user prior to joining Atomic, it blows Intuition out of the water. This liner is unlike anything currently on the market. Swapping it out for an Intuition would be a big miss.

    Keep your eyes peeled for a new podcast with Blister where will dive deeper into this new tech.
    Sounds like the holy grail. Can't wait to stick me feet in 'em if real world testing confirms the superior fit, fit tension, support, and, no real world deal breakers like cold seepage or durability issues manifest.
    Master of mediocrity.

  10. #610
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    Atomic (in this segment at least) is one company I actually stand up and take notice when onenerdykid makes a statement like that... cool stuff, excited to see it even though I am happy with my Tour Wraps in 18/19 XTD 130's. I am curious about durability though, one nice thing with Intuition is they seem to last way longer than stock liners.

  11. #611
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    Quote Originally Posted by onenerdykid View Post
    One note on the new Mimic liner in the new Hawx Prime XTD (also in the Ultra XTD, Ultra, and Prime)- this liner has a fully remoldable plastic tongue, plastic cuff, and ankle/heel pocket that fully shapes when heated and fully hardens around your foot and leg. As an Intuition user prior to joining Atomic, it blows Intuition out of the water. This liner is unlike anything currently on the market. Swapping it out for an Intuition would be a big miss.

    Keep your eyes peeled for a new podcast with Blister where will dive deeper into this new tech.
    Will they be available for aftermarket purchase....
    For Sale:


    FKS Race 185 w/115 Brake in Black and Gold

    Dynastar Legend Factory 115 mounted 1x for 306mm Look Pivot

    Salomon Ghost 130 (Orange and Black Model Year) 26.5

    POC Auric Cut BC Spin XL

    https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...ore?highlight=

    If you're in the Northeast and would like to borrow some Jigarex Plates I have:

    Rossi/Look plates
    Salomon Warden 13 plates
    Marker Kingpin Plates

  12. #612
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    Quote Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds! View Post
    They ski significantly better than the OG RS's. Much closer to being a 1 boot quiver in terms of both fit and flex. It also took more time with a boot fitter to make them work for me.

    I think they walk about the same. But I've also toured in F1's a lot the last few years. Those walk much better than both, making the difference between the RS and Hawx seem minimal by comparison.
    So one more question from me, since I'm a serial hand wringer over decisions like this and you have experience with both Hawx and F1. Is the F1 a significant decrease in ski performance for less than ideal mid-winter conditions vs the OG Maestrale, and by extension, the Hawx? Skis are 184 V-werks Katana's for what it's worth.

    Also for what it's worth, I have skinnier skis and Fischer Travers Carbons for long spring days.

    I guess I just feel like the Atomic's are beefier than I need, and I would appreciate something that walks better, but not willing to give up much over my current boot for daily winter driver.

  13. #613
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    Quote Originally Posted by onenerdykid View Post
    One note on the new Mimic liner in the new Hawx Prime XTD (also in the Ultra XTD, Ultra, and Prime)- this liner has a fully remoldable plastic tongue, plastic cuff, and ankle/heel pocket that fully shapes when heated and fully hardens around your foot and leg. As an Intuition user prior to joining Atomic, it blows Intuition out of the water. This liner is unlike anything currently on the market. Swapping it out for an Intuition would be a big miss.

    Keep your eyes peeled for a new podcast with Blister where will dive deeper into this new tech.
    Very psyched on this. I'm on season three with my non-XTD Hawx Ultra and the fit is great but liner leaves me wanting. I've been stringing my old Mercuries along but am pretty ready for some XTDs (and new Ultras...). New liner sounds very encouraging. Thanks Matt!

  14. #614
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    So one more question from me, since I'm a serial hand wringer over decisions like this and you have experience with both Hawx and F1. Is the F1 a significant decrease in ski performance for less than ideal mid-winter conditions vs the OG Maestrale, and by extension, the Hawx?
    Yes

  15. #615
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeLau View Post
    Yes
    I'll give them a shot.

  16. #616
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    I'll give them a shot.
    Well, catch and release. I had them in hand a couple of hours before I took them back. Reasons why:
    1. I felt like they were a step back in terms of walkability vs. the Maestrales. I fiddled with the buckles and straps and walked around a bit and I felt like they just didn't walk as well. They do feel stiffer and I bet they ski better, but in reality, the Scarpas skied "good enough" for me 90% of the time. I don't want to lose a step in the touring dept.
    2. Lack of a real, lugged, vibram sole. I don't scramble around a ton in my "winter" boots, but when I do, I want more grippy-ness. The ability to work in other, more downhill oriented bindings intrigued me, but the reality is, I've ridden lifts exactly once in the past two seasons. Not my focus.
    3. Fiddle factor. I want my next boot to be simpler to transition, not equal or worse.

    All of these reasons is why I think the new(2021?) Scarpa F1 is a miss. I didn't need a lighter F1, I needed a stiffer F1, or a better walking Maestrale. The unicorn boot would be a boot about the weight of the current F1, with that kind of walk mode, a true 110 flex, and a two motion transition. It seems like the market is segmenting into uber stiff crossover boots and 1000 gram and less lycra running boots.

  17. #617
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    All of these reasons is why I think the new(2021?) Scarpa F1 is a miss. I didn't need a lighter F1, I needed a stiffer F1, or a better walking Maestrale. The unicorn boot would be a boot about the weight of the current F1, with that kind of walk mode, a true 110 flex, and a two motion transition. It seems like the market is segmenting into uber stiff crossover boots and 1000 gram and less lycra running boots.
    Definitely agree with this point

  18. #618
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    Appreciate all the comments on the Hawx Ultra. I was ****this***** close to picking up a pair, but ended up in the Head Kore 1. The fit was really close, but I was able to size down in the Kore (it runs long...or the Hawx runs short), and the flex felt ridiculously good in the shop. It skis great in the wild too.

    Anyway, just wanted to post here that, if the Hawx works for your foot, the Kore will probably work for you too. Here's a little thread I started on the Kore because I had never heard of it before the bootfitter put me in a pair. https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...-touring-boots

  19. #619
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    Meter,
    Which bootfitter? I recall youíre in truckee now

  20. #620
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcski View Post
    Meter,
    Which bootfitter? I recall you’re in truckee now
    Corey at Tahoe Sports Hub. He's really good.

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