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11-10-2017, 09:02 PM #226u
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Leelau - did you put a size 27 Protour liner in your 27 shells, or did you go up a size like people sometimes do with Intuitions?
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11-10-2017, 09:49 PM #227Registered User
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11-11-2017, 08:12 AM #228
Atomic Hawx Ultra XTD aka Hawk Extended aka HawX
Cold temps or room temps? Shouldn’t really judge by room temps. Plastics have different thermal properties. For example, on super warm summer days, I can bottom out my Cochise 130s on the buckles and I THINK they’re softer than my old 120s in the same temps (need to try em back 2 back). Not so for cold temps.
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11-11-2017, 09:34 AM #229Registered User
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11-11-2017, 11:11 AM #230
The Langes will stiffen up more in the cold than the Atomics. I have found the Hawx XTD and Ultra to have one of the least variances in boot flex over temperature ranges and the Langes to have one of the highest.
Skiing both the Lange 130 Freetour and the Hawx XTD 130 at ~25 degrees F the Lange has more power and is harder to bottom out. The initial five-ten degrees is softer than the XTD 130, but it doesn’t fold over after 20deg of flex like the XTD.
Freetour is an everyday resort sidecountry boot. The XTD is a freeride backcountry boot. I’d compare the Freetour against the Cochise and Freedom and compare the XTD against the ZeroG, MTN Lab, and Maestrale RS.
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11-11-2017, 11:21 AM #231
^Xavier, was the Atomic with stock liner? Do you think a more alpine style liner would help some?
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11-12-2017, 06:54 AM #232
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11-12-2017, 09:14 AM #233Registered User
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First impression from just trying them on in my local shop. Acceptable flex and support for inbounds skiing, acceptable ROM for short tours, way too much volume to ever work for my skinny ankles.
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11-12-2017, 04:10 PM #234
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11-12-2017, 04:34 PM #235
I was told they planned to use stiffer material in the front of the tongue and in the sole plus add a bit of thickness in the midfoot in the production liner.
As far as I can tell, the stiffer material is for real but the production liner seems just as thin around the ankle, and the production boot actually weighed less than the prototype by a few grams.
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11-12-2017, 05:27 PM #236Registered User
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Are you talking about the liner for the XTD 130 or the XTD 120?
The sloppy fit around the ankle for XTD mentioned a few posts above contradictions some other opinions about the heel hold and ankle volume. How is the rear half of the boot for low volume feet?
Lastly, is the ROM and weight of the XTD so much better that you guys would own them in addition to a Freetour XT 130? I skied the XT 130 LV with shims, heel lifts, footbeds, Booster straps, and Zipfits for inbounds duty about 50 days last season. They were awesome inbounds and slackcountry with those mods, but pretty heavy with poor ROM for all day or multi day tours.
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11-12-2017, 06:05 PM #237
The 130. I consider the heel pocket of the Ultra 130 XTD with stock liner to be average in volume; it's fine on my foot. It's snugger than the 100mm Lange or the MTN Lab in the heel and midfoot. Similar to the Zero G Guide Pro in that area, though the Zero G is narrower in the medial midfoot under the maleolus (some people mistakenly think that is a tight heel fit).
They are different boots. Better range of motion in both directions and weight give the Ultra XTD a distinct advantage for touring. Progressiveness of flex and stance give the XT Freetour an advantage for skiing downhill. I use the former primarily for touring with skis above 100mm in the waist and the latter primarily for lift skiing.
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11-13-2017, 08:16 AM #238Registered User
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I tried the 120 with stock liners. My buddy / shop employee told me they’re the more substantial resort specific liners, compared to the 130. Didn’t try them with intuitions, as I wasn’t actually shopping, just goofing around on a grey day.
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11-19-2017, 09:40 PM #239Registered User
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Lee, can the memory fit be done DIY with a heat gun or boiling the shells?
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11-20-2017, 11:21 AM #240Dad core
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I've struck out twice on 28.5 130s being in stock, but was told more shipments might be here this week. I am trying to get a set before a trip dec 1. These things are selling fast.
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11-20-2017, 11:56 AM #241
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11-20-2017, 12:25 PM #242Dad core
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11-21-2017, 12:06 AM #243
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11-22-2017, 12:35 AM #244Registered User
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11-22-2017, 04:25 AM #245Registered User
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11-22-2017, 06:01 AM #246Registered User
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there is an awesome thread on newschoolers concerning the XTD lineup, where Matt/onenerdykid - one of Atomic's boot designers - chime in regularly. The folks over at Blister also have a couple of reviews of both the 120 and the 130 that explains the difference pretty well and Cy - one of the Blister guys - has also chimed in in the newschoolers-thread.
The general consensus is that 120 is more of a resort quiver killer with a beefier liner (think plastic incorporated into the tongue to provide more support/comfort when the going gets tough, aka more resistance when walking), with the 130 being more of a 50/50 boot that tours incredibly well for the punch it also packs. Lee's wet sock comparison for the 130 liner seems a bit harsh, though time will tell if it is on the money or not. I guess there is nothing new in the aforementioned info - it has all been asked and answered multiple times in this thread already - but oh well.
I have yet to try the boots, but will get some 130s and get a beefier liner down the line for resort days if the need is there.
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11-22-2017, 10:03 AM #247
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11-22-2017, 10:08 AM #248
Not Lee, but I look kinda like him and am also obsessed with ski boots. Use a convection oven like the shops do, around 225 F. for 8-9 minutes (Atomic says 6 at the pre-set temp of their oven, around 235-240 F., but it isn't really adequate IMO). Heat gun won't be uniform enough, boiling water is contraindicated for use with most ski boot plastics (not sure about Grilamid, but for PU and PE) as it permanently changes the character (softens it). Make sure you stand on a hard, flat surface during cool down and don't walk around; the soles are very thin and could warp.
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11-22-2017, 10:34 AM #249Originally Posted by blurred
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11-22-2017, 10:35 AM #250
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