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  1. #26
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    Historically, crowds (tourism) follow surfers in search of waves. Wave pools are currently becoming more prevelant. Will they eventually wind up replacing far off surf destinations? I am thinking yes to an extent.

    1) planning a surf trip far in advance is always challenging because conditions vary from week to week (as any surfer knows).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluff View Post
    Only good surfing in CR is around high tide. Two hours before and an hour after. Low tide is pretty much unsurfable any where I've ever been. It it is surfable, it is shallow and super sketchy. Look at a tide chart and plan your trip around it so you are not stuck having to surf at 5:30 am.
    Pretty sure this isn't true and way too big of a generalization. Lived down there for 6 months many moons ago ('97 to be exact, with 2 week visit to Nica and CR in '05). Totally depends on the wave. Plenty of waves break at low tide. Only place I didn't make it to was Pavones.

    My hang up with CR is A: its crowded now, B: Lots of the waves people talk about are variable beach breaks (Mal Pais, Nosara, Playa Grande, Witches, etc.) I have those here in SoCal, albeit with colder water. They can turn on and be great, but most of the time they are shifty beach breaks that are fun, but not epic.

    When I'm traveling to surf, I'm looking for either reef or point breaks. I want a longer, better quality wave with fewer people than I have at home. That is pretty tough to find in CR at this point. Not impossible, but way more difficult than it used to be. Had Playa Langosta with 4 people out (including my dad and wife) for 4 days with 6-10' faces. Now there is a 3 story Melia hotel on the beach so you get to surf with 30 of your best friends from Texas. Ollie's was 6 boats of approx 6 to 8 guys on each boat, all competing for a tiny take off spot. If I went back I think it would only be for Pavones or maybe Negra and the surrounding breaks.
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    Yup. Sounds right to me. I was there about 18 years ago and had a blast. Shifty beach breaks and all. I imagine it is much more crowded these days.

    I'd go back for a family trip, but not a dedicated surf trip.

    There are much better places to go if it is just about the surf. I agree the goal would be quality reefs or points with small crowds. That is what I have at home but requires a 4/3 and boots. And I need to leave town for no crowds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by comish View Post
    Pretty sure this isn't true and way too big of a generalization. Lived down there for 6 months many moons ago ('97 to be exact, with 2 week visit to Nica and CR in '05). Totally depends on the wave. Plenty of waves break at low tide. Only place I didn't make it to was Pavones.

    My hang up with CR is A: its crowded now, B: Lots of the waves people talk about are variable beach breaks (Mal Pais, Nosara, Playa Grande, Witches, etc.) I have those here in SoCal, albeit with colder water. They can turn on and be great, but most of the time they are shifty beach breaks that are fun, but not epic.

    When I'm traveling to surf, I'm looking for either reef or point breaks. I want a longer, better quality wave with fewer people than I have at home. That is pretty tough to find in CR at this point. Not impossible, but way more difficult than it used to be. Had Playa Langosta with 4 people out (including my dad and wife) for 4 days with 6-10' faces. Now there is a 3 story Melia hotel on the beach so you get to surf with 30 of your best friends from Texas. Ollie's was 6 boats of approx 6 to 8 guys on each boat, all competing for a tiny take off spot. If I went back I think it would only be for Pavones or maybe Negra and the surrounding breaks.
    n'
    I went 12 years ago, and we did not get much in the way of crowds, other than one evening when the beach break in Jaco turned on. We surfed mostly Playa Hermosa and Esterillos, and neither place was crowded. We wanted to get the rivermouth left point Boca Barranca, which we didn't, but we were told that place gets very crowded, which is understandable given how great it is. I don't know if things have changed, but I would be surprised if you can't find relatively uncrowded peaks and Playa Hermosa on an ordinary week day.

    The reason to go to Costa Rica is consistency. During the summer the Jaco area is just about always at least shoulder high, at least for Playa Hermosa. It is usually bigger. It is extremely rare for that area to be flat, so if you book a summer trip you are almost guaranteed waves.

    That being said, I agree with you guys, it is rarely epic. Costa Rica is consistent, but so is Orange County in the summer. I can understand the sentiment that if you travel you want to get something you can't get at home. I think for Florida surfers, who see very little summer swell, it definitely makes sense, but I can see why someone from OC or La Jolla or Santa Cruz might not be interested. And like you guys said, the places that ARE epic get very crowded. I would still consider doing Costa Rica again, but I agree with everything you are saying. It is like traveling for skiing, there are not many places I am willing to go because I ski Mammoth 3 weekends a month and that is a great mountain. Part of it is also that I pay 400 a month for my ski lease, if I lived 45 minutes from Mammoth and did not need to do that I would travel more, but the only place in Colorado I actually would take a trip to is Silverton.

    I loved going to Costa Rica. I might go back. It is easy and consistent, but it is far from my dream trip. If Pavones was consistent that might be different. Where I would really like to go is El Cardon in Mexico, but I have heard horrible things about them chasing locals out of the water and I won't support that. It looks like a beautiful left point though, my dream wave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long duc dong View Post
    n'
    I went 12 years ago, and we did not get much in the way of crowds, other than one evening when the beach break in Jaco turned on. We surfed mostly Playa Hermosa and Esterillos, and neither place was crowded. We wanted to get the rivermouth left point Boca Barranca, which we didn't, but we were told that place gets very crowded, which is understandable given how great it is. I don't know if things have changed, but I would be surprised if you can't find relatively uncrowded peaks and Playa Hermosa on an ordinary week day.

    The reason to go to Costa Rica is consistency. During the summer the Jaco area is just about always at least shoulder high, at least for Playa Hermosa. It is usually bigger. It is extremely rare for that area to be flat, so if you book a summer trip you are almost guaranteed waves.

    That being said, I agree with you guys, it is rarely epic. Costa Rica is consistent, but so is Orange County in the summer. I can understand the sentiment that if you travel you want to get something you can't get at home. I think for Florida surfers, who see very little summer swell, it definitely makes sense, but I can see why someone from OC or La Jolla or Santa Cruz might not be interested. And like you guys said, the places that ARE epic get very crowded. I would still consider doing Costa Rica again, but I agree with everything you are saying. It is like traveling for skiing, there are not many places I am willing to go because I ski Mammoth 3 weekends a month and that is a great mountain. Part of it is also that I pay 400 a month for my ski lease, if I lived 45 minutes from Mammoth and did not need to do that I would travel more, but the only place in Colorado I actually would take a trip to is Silverton.

    I loved going to Costa Rica. I might go back. It is easy and consistent, but it is far from my dream trip. If Pavones was consistent that might be different. Where I would really like to go is El Cardon in Mexico, but I have heard horrible things about them chasing locals out of the water and I won't support that. It looks like a beautiful left point though, my dream wave.
    My comments on the crowds are how things changed between '97 and '05. In '97 we had everything to ourselves, not so much in '05...

    Playa Hermosa is prolly one of the most consistent waves I have ever seen. With no swell its shoulder high. Careful when it gets bigger. A kid that went to my College died there as it gets pretty heavy with some swell...

    Agree with ur post, including the Cardon bit. Really want to go there, but doesn't seem legit. Apparently June had the highest number of murders in the last 20 years in all of Mexico!?!?! Cabo murders are up something crazy like 600% since March. We cancelled our trip to Guerrero, that had become my favorite trip of the year, after going the last 5 years. Too much bad chit going down in Mexico for this dad of 3 these days. So F'n corrupt (no news flash there), much less value of human life, and cartels fighting for regions post Chapo capture just made it a no fly zone for us this year... Sad

    So, anyone got a place within a couple hours of LAX for some warm water, tasty waves, where my probabilities of getting shot are a little lower?
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    Quote Originally Posted by comish View Post
    My comments on the crowds are how things changed between '97 and '05. In '97 we had everything to ourselves, not so much in '05...
    I would have loved to see it back then. One of my buddies from college actually went down there for a month during the summer of '97. I would really have loved to surf Pavones back in the day. It has all been discovered now.

    Quote Originally Posted by comish View Post

    Playa Hermosa is prolly one of the most consistent waves I have ever seen. With no swell its shoulder high. Careful when it gets bigger. A kid that went to my College died there as it gets pretty heavy with some swell...
    Even at a foot or two overhead Playa Hermosa is punchy. I actually broke a board there. It has some real power.

    Quote Originally Posted by comish View Post
    Agree with ur post, including the Cardon bit. Really want to go there, but doesn't seem legit. Apparently June had the highest number of murders in the last 20 years in all of Mexico!?!?! Cabo murders are up something crazy like 600% since March. We cancelled our trip to Guerrero, that had become my favorite trip of the year, after going the last 5 years. Too much bad chit going down in Mexico for this dad of 3 these days. So F'n corrupt (no news flash there), much less value of human life, and cartels fighting for regions post Chapo capture just made it a no fly zone for us this year... Sad

    So, anyone got a place within a couple hours of LAX for some warm water, tasty waves, where my probabilities of getting shot are a little lower?
    Things have gotten pretty scary. I found some places on mainland Mexico I want to check out, but I am scared to go now. It is a shame.

    http://www.presentmomentretreat.com/...activities.htm
    http://www.costaazul.com/

    Those are two places I have wanted to check out. I think I might pass right now.
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