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12-27-2017, 01:23 AM #401Registered User
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I will do the same. If I put enough force to make the toe release when itīs set at 10, I probably want the ski to leave my boot. I did some testing, and even on an hard slope, I need to put some major force on the toe to make it release. Way more than I ever will in walk mode. If you fall over forward, the ski will release, but in that situation atleast I wouldnīt mind. There will be no stopper, but since the skins are on, the skis will not start to run down the slope anyway. Maybe you need the locking in some situations, but so far, I canīt see any problem with just touring in ski mode.
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12-27-2017, 07:17 AM #402Registered User
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Wouldn't the locked toe be great for kick turns though? I don't usually lock my vipec toes because it does not do much anyways. Looks like they got a serious lockout now.
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12-27-2017, 08:17 AM #403
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12-27-2017, 08:55 AM #404
Lee I think you've skied the MTN Explore 95's. Toe denting issues aside would you put the Vipec Evo or Tecton on them? They'll see a little in bounds time but mostly be used as a early season or spring touring ski. I like the idea of an alpine heel but don't know if I really need it. Than again I don't think I'll be using them for super long days so the minor weight penalty might be worth it. Thoughts?
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12-27-2017, 09:22 AM #405
Here's a relatively simple solution for guys who want ski-mode forward toe release but still lock out horizontal release for sidehills: leave toe in ski mode but snap a 3D-printed horseshoe into the side slots in front of the pincer carriage, just like the toe lever would in walk mode.
Not perfect, but no permanent mods required.
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12-27-2017, 11:33 AM #406
I ski the Mtn Explore 88s. Tecton and Evo would be fine on those. The added weight doesn;t make or break my day
Serious is an understatement. Those things are welded on once locked out
It's when kicking into icy sidehills or cutting kick turns that I pull out at Vipec/Tecton toe when toe lever is in ski mode. It's not a life-altering problem per se. More like something which diminishes the useability of the binding and which should IMO have been disclosed beforehand. Having said that I'm going to minimize lock out and do the same thing you do now that I know that this is an issue
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12-27-2017, 11:35 AM #407
For toe lever modders here is a suggested fix. It may not work due to the cammed internals of the toe lever which may require the toe bump to be in a particular position for leverage
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12-27-2017, 08:30 PM #408Registered User
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12-27-2017, 08:40 PM #409Registered User
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Great info Leel! Amazing detail!
I've now been on 3.5 versions (.5 was 1st gen toe w upgraded heal piece due to icing) up to new tectons 2 weeks ago.
I spun my fibula and had complete tear of inside ligament/partial syndesmosis tear in the spring of 2016 2nd time out on blacks...not sure if I left in walk mode or engaged walk mode during early seconds of the fall.
In any case I think I'm apt to simply not use walk mode. If i have too violent of a kick turn, it might pop off but I've skinned up inbounds hundreds of times and deskin/enter ski mode w a couple heal kicks (to grab skin and then another to enter heal ski mode) without taking off ski and can't think of a time that i had an issue w popping out of ski. Also have lots of days touring bc including Europe in some sketchy situations.
I have dropped my din after getting back in tech binders simply due to confidence - maybe this will cause release during tours but that is yet to be seen.
Disclaimer i don't believe the binder caused fracture...just slow twisting fall and not enough energy OR I was indeed in walk mode. Ironically the binder did release from the broken leg side and I had to search for that ski not realizing I had anything wrong..Last edited by cycology1; 12-27-2017 at 10:38 PM.
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12-27-2017, 09:43 PM #410
Yes. Stellar work Lee. I think its safe to say , we all see the possibility of this binding being amazing. Id think fritchi would come up with a fix for this if we keep reminding them
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12-27-2017, 10:50 PM #411Registered User
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The fix will come once the Shift is released and sales tank...
Or
The Shift's unknown issues surface and sales stay strong.
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12-28-2017, 09:27 AM #412
Just an aside:
Kneefall on a Comfort with toe lever locked out. The knee would contact the ground before the boot hit the toe lever.
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12-28-2017, 10:50 AM #413
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12-28-2017, 11:45 AM #414
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12-28-2017, 11:52 AM #415
UPDATE 1
I just "tested" the Tecton toe lever with the bump removed and when the toe lever is in ski mode it's considerably harder to release in a kneefall then when the bump is installed. It appears the bump creates extra leverage on the toe lever when the lever is in ski mode; that leverage expediting a knee fall release.
Given that having the toe lever bump installed or removed does not seem seem to affect boot-binding release in a knee fall when the toe-lever is in walk mode (ie the boot won't release), I reinstalled the toe lever bump and chalked that up to a failed modification attempt but will leave the procedure up in case people want to experiment
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12-28-2017, 12:07 PM #416
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12-28-2017, 12:51 PM #417
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12-28-2017, 09:48 PM #418
Fritschi Tecton
It might be possible to make a sort of bridge from the lever to the boot. In a fall, with the lever in walk mode, the boot will hit the bridge and cause the lever to snap down to ski mode, thus allowing the boot to release. The bridge could go where the small colored plastic pieces currently go. When in ski mode the bridge will be well clear of the boot and won't hinder the binding's function.
Problem is the angle is tough to get enough leverage while also letting the toe have full normal range of motion. Preliminary testing with a wooden dowel showed promise though. Will also depend on the boot.
I'd try to whip out some CAD models and 3D print them for testing, but I won't have access to tech boots or tectons again until the summer
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12-28-2017, 11:21 PM #419
Hmmm, backwoods redneck solution?
Last edited by 1000-oaks; 12-29-2017 at 12:01 AM.
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12-28-2017, 11:28 PM #420
Fritschi Tecton
Hump would not have to be removed - would just have to hit the bridge/bolt slightly before the hump
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12-28-2017, 11:47 PM #421
They ski quite well...
wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
Zoolander wasn't a documentary?
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12-29-2017, 07:36 AM #422
Skied my Tectons yesterday at the resort in -20 degrees f (some of the coldest temps I've ever skied in) with windchills near -40, and was a bit nervous about the plastic given the recent post on Wildsnow, but they performed flawlessly. Very happy with the way they ski at the resort, but I haven't toured in them yet.
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12-29-2017, 12:08 PM #423
The boot dildo idea is hilarious.
Seriously I hope the company revises the toe. The boot punch is unacceptable and everyone falls forward eventually.
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12-30-2017, 11:35 AM #424Registered User
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Scratch my last comment...in ski mode, a basic toe kick to grab skin from rear of ski while standing (to deskin without removing skis) yielded an ejected ski...seems different than vipec blacks, but I'll check later
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12-30-2017, 02:54 PM #425Galibier Designcrafting technology in service of music
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