Rossignol Black Ops?

[noslow]

Have kind of an interesting pair of BO118s that might make their way to GS unless someone here is interested. I say interesting in that they are on the lighter side at about 2375g/ski. They still absolutely truck but might have just a bit less swing weight than the pairs coming in over 2500g. I agree with everything said here these skis are amazing. But I think I am going to roll with my Jeffrey 118s. They are a bit more nimble in tight however they can't be driven like the BO118s nor are they as good on groomed. Anyway hit me up if interested. They are the mostly black ones from 2022 I believe. 1.5 mounts. At -3 directional line with pivots for 296 bsl. Minty.

Might have some buddies out west in Canada who might be interested. Message me about your location and maybe pics if you’re willing to ship.

[twat]

BO118s is one of the best pow skis ever imho and easy to find at significant discounts. Do not overthink it - just get a pair and try them out - they are freaking great.

Yes sir!

[Dantheman]

First day on the BO 118 today. Only got a few runs before they closed things down for wind, but they were great in a couple inches of dense buff. Damp but nimble. I was kind of amazed at how well they carved on groomers, too.

[kicool]

-5.5 from Center to far back BO 118? Does it lose the quickness and versatility that the 110 has on rec (-2.5 from Center - same as rec on BO118).

[noslow]

-5.5 from Center to far back BO 118? Does it lose the quickness and versatility that the 110 has on rec (-2.5 from Center - same as rec on BO118).

The SF 110 rec point is just under 1cm back from the -2.5cm back mount of the BO 118 as it’s a hair more directional.

Most people moving the BO 118 mount back are doing so to improving float and ability to drive it more but even back it’s still playful.
I’m at -2.5cm/5cm total back from Center on my BO 118 and perfect for my 175lbs. I’d move it around -3cm/-5.5cm total if I was around 200lbs and maybe -6cm total if heavier than that.
160lbs skiers seem happy around -2cm/4.5cm total so the ski won’t feel heavy to pivot at that weight.

[kicool]

Nice I got a pair of 194s that I am trying to decide on a mount point. Can only go -2.5 or -5.5 cuz of previous holes. I love my 191 SF at rec and at -3.5 from TC. I am 6’ 190lbs naked. Thinking -5.5 is the play.

[noslow]

Nice I got a pair of 194s that I am trying to decide on a mount point. Can only go -2.5 or -5.5 cuz of previous holes. I love my 191 SF at rec and at -3.5 from TC. I am 6’ 190lbs naked. Thinking -5.5 is the play.

You got a set of the 194cm BO 118 from a sponsored skier or something? Could sell those for thousands on here I bet if so! Lol

Those would be significantly heavier than the SF 110 if so. I’d maybe ponder that -2.5cm mount so they are still playful at your size.
You put them on a scale yet? Curious!!!

[kicool]

Not sure if my shop has one. I’ll check tomorrow. I’ll have to keep them for myself unfortunately instead of selling hmm yea I’ll ponder the -2.5 mount. I am pretty directional so thinking -5.5 is the way to go. Just don’t want to loose the quickness that makes the 191 SF so sick at rec.

[noslow]

I’m assuming they would be around 300gr heavier than the SF 110 along with being wider of course. So “more ski” for sure.

I’d vote -2.5cm if you want playful still in tight spots or -5.5cm for hauling in more open spaces and maximum float.

[SnowMachine]

If you want a slightly lower swing weight slightly more soft snow optimized BO118 than I might suggest ON3P Jeff118s. They feel pretty similar, but the Jeff's lower swing weight and different rear taper lines made for an upgrade for my part.

I have yet to ski them back to back, but where BO118's tails can be schmeared where you want them I found that J118's tails kinda dissapear when you step on the gas a bit. Jeffs do not have quite the same monster truck ability at 200grs less, but they are close.

I am very satisfied that I tried to optimize on close to perfection (BO118) to explore other options (jeff118s).

BO118s are great tree skis for intermediate to strong skiers that use speed to make their heft dissapear. For newer skiers that like to noodle around a bit bent chet 120s might be more the ticket.

Bent 120's are the powder gateway drug.

[tragicsolitude]

5'9" 200+lbs. I'm a few years removed from college athletics and keeping up with the training, hence the weight.

Grew up racing, but I'm more all-mountain freestyle oriented now.

Just bought a pair of BO118s and they should be exactly what I'm looking for.

SF110s @ 184cm (straight pull ~182) felt WAY too short mounted on the line with fresh snow and were too light, but were fun in the park.

On the other hand, SF110s @ 191cm (straight pull around 188 I think) felt a bit too long for my liking if I was trying to be playful and incorporate butters or ski in the trees -- which there are a lot of here, both steep and mellow on the way back to the chair after more serious lines. Very solid and composed when it came to the steeps, cliffs, and throwing 3s & backies. Probably should have tried detuning the tips and tails but I'm an idiot and didn't think of that until I took my bindings off.

I've been reading everyone's experiences with the BO118 and trying to figure out where I'm going to mount them...

Feeling like I may go -1 from the forward line, which would put me in similar territory to the SF mount points.

Landing switch in deep snow is important to me, so i don't want to sacrifice that, but also want to avoid how the 184cm SF110s felt.

Thoughts?

Update:

Love BO118s on the line. Haven't thought about moving them back a single time. Have had zero tip dive even in the deepest of snow and they land/ski switch amazing.

Also gave SF110 @ 184 another shot, mounted on the line, and love them. Bigger tricks outside of the park and with steeper landings seem to have me way too tail heavy, but that's probably 90% my own inability -- though there is a smaller sweet spot.

[noslow]

Update:

Love BO118s on the line. Haven't thought about moving them back a single time. Have had zero tip dive even in the deepest of snow and they land/ski switch amazing.

Also gave SF110 @ 184 another shot, mounted on the line, and love them. Bigger tricks outside of the park and with steeper landings seem to have me way too tail heavy, but that's probably 90% my own inability -- though there is a smaller sweet spot.

Assuming a pretty centered stance then if you’re liking rec on both skis? Find the Blackops 118, Sender Free110/MFree 112 are able to move mounts quite a bit without issue to tailor to your taste and size without issue. Actual center of sidecut around -8cm or so from center on these so still playful back from Center.

Did you just rent the 184cm SF 110 you mean again. If it’s a different pair you tried the second time might be a tune issue on the first pair.
Never find most skis are flat from the factory let alone having uniform bevel angles. All my Blackops 118, my SF 110 and my new Enforcer 104 were all base high from the factory and needed grinds to correct. My 184cm SF 110 went back a second time for more grinding as it was still feeling super surfy, unstable and felt very short. The second grind finally cured the issue and transformed it to a much more stable and planted ski.

[Cagey]

On mount points of the Sender Free 110s... I am 5'10" and 165 lbs. I'm on the 184. Palisades Tahoe is my home mountain and I'm a "playful" directional skier. A local shop recommended going 2cm behind the directional line (-7.5cm) to make it a touch "chargier". I did it and loved the ski so much that I also picked up a pair of 186cm Blackops 118s and 182cm 98s. Both of those are mounted on the directional line (-5.5cm from center), closer to center than I did on my 184 cm SF110s. I moved forward on these last two figuring that on low tide or pow days, I would be happy with something a touch more playful. The skis and mounts all feel great.

[noslow]

On mount points of the Sender Free 110s... I am 5'10" and 165 lbs. I'm on the 184. Palisades Tahoe is my home mountain and I'm a "playful" directional skier. A local shop recommended going 2cm behind the directional line (-7.5cm) to make it a touch "chargier". I did it and loved the ski so much that I also picked up a pair of 186cm Blackops 118s and 182cm 98s. Both of those are mounted on the directional line (-5.5cm from center), closer to center than I did on my 184 cm SF110s. I moved forward on these last two figuring that on low tide or pow days, I would be happy with something a touch more playful. The skis and mounts all feel great.

Glad you’re liking all of them! Have those 3 in the quiver too with somewhat similar mounts with the BO 118 being the most centered.
Wanted the shorter BO 98 and Sender Free 110 to “ski longer” so mounted my Blackops 98 back 1.5cm/6.25cm total, SF 110 -3cm back/-6.25cm total vs—2.5cm/-5cm total on the heavier and longer BO 118.
You’re actually about -7.7cm total on the BO 98 if you’re 3cm behind the middle line as that’s -4.7cm from center. It’s the shortest and lightest ski so having it back further will improve stability.

[cocoapuff]

Just cross sharing here the listing for these BlackOps 118 (Gamers) I have for sale in GS if anyone is interested.

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...light=blackops

[kid-kapow]

color me surprised - the rumors over on NS says there is both a new Sender Free 100 coming AND a new BO98 - unsure if the latter is just a new graphic or not. TBC

[kid-kapow]

man, the new SF110 graphic is the best iteration of the SF graphic yet.

[mr_pretzel]

Will there finally be a 192 SF118? or are those still just for the athletes

[noslow]

man, the new SF110 graphic is the best iteration of the SF graphic yet.

You mean SF 100 graphic as the 110 looks the same still.
Liking the profile of the SF 100-less taper tip/tail than the Sender Soul 102 and narrower tip too so hoping they are just taking 10mm off the 110. Exact same mount point as the 110 too. Interesting!

I’d guess it’s just different graphics on the BO 98 until I hear otherwise?

[tragicsolitude]

Assuming a pretty centered stance then if you’re liking rec on both skis?

Did you just rent the 184cm SF 110 you mean again. If it’s a different pair you tried the second time might be a tune issue on the first pair.

Spent all of my time racing as a kid, but now I find myself skiing park and trying (keyword: trying) to flip and spin all over the mountain. Nice thing about the SF110 is that it does maintain stability out into the tips and tails, so you dont have to stay as centered as when skiing a Revolt 96 or Revolt 121. The SF110 at rec does have a vague spot in turn initiation. Would be interesting to try another pair mounted back. They'd definitely initiate a turn better and "charge" through technical stuff better, but you'd completely lose out on the tail and that'd make landing big drops pretty tough. That's probably a better case for having a 184 at rec and a 191 mounted back I guess?

First 184s I rode were rentals. Good chance they were neglected and had a bad tune. I'm going to check the bases on my SF110s and BO118s and report back. Both skis need some edge work after a ton of early season pow had us in the rocks. I think the bases on the 110s probably need a grind, but I think the 118s are money.

[Dantheman]

A/B'ed the Squads and BO118s on back to back 20" storm weekends. Man, the BO118 does not give up much on the charging parts while gaining a lot in tight spaces and bumps. The BO118 might be my new go to on deep days.

[twat]

Sounds like something is up with the Tune on those CT 2.0 as they have a similar multi radius sidecut to the Blackops 98/118 and Sender Free 110. Should initiate turns easier when tipped but allow lots of stability when flat.
Problems releasing/being stuck in a turn is usually an edge high and/or non uniform base edge angle.

Your CT 2.0 are probably due for a full grind and tune by now anyway and bet that should change the way they ski. My first set was railed and transformed after a grind and tune.

The 21 CT 2.0(and CT 1.0) have a metal binding retention sheet like the BO 98/SF 110 but also have a 2nd metal sheet underfoot above the base to protect for rail damage.
The longer turn radius and stiffer tips/tails of the CT 2.0 makes them even more stable than the BO 98 but need more speed and skier input to come alive. The 21 CT series hits a second gear when you REALLY push them I find.

You were right. The last shop had something wrong with the grind.
I remember - i picked them up and they said they already did the base edge even I ordered them with zero.
Then I went home and ran the 1degree basebevel over and I did not bit…. Only partially a lil. Did not bother and forgot about it.

Went to a different shop after our discussion and finally got them on snow.
Way better. Ct2 tail is different to the bo98 but after the service I am happy with both.

[forumskier]

A/B'ed the Squads and BO118s on back to back 20" storm weekends. Man, the BO118 does not give up much on the charging parts while gaining a lot in tight spaces and bumps. The BO118 might be my new go to on deep days.

I only got the Sender Squads in some patches of 6-7”, but I liked how the tips floated compared to my BO118s. I have my BO118s pretty close to center and they are super maneuverable there, but obviously not nearly as directional.

BO118s more of a plow and eat up junk better, but I can ski Squads significantly harder when it’s less bumped/chopped out.

[noslow]

You were right. The last shop had something wrong with the grind.
I remember - i picked them up and they said they already did the base edge even I ordered them with zero.
Then I went home and ran the 1degree basebevel over and I did not bit…. Only partially a lil. Did not bother and forgot about it.

Went to a different shop after our discussion and finally got them on snow.
Way better. Ct2 tail is different to the bo98 but after the service I am happy with both.

Glad to hear you got them redone and they are better now! Always say your gut is always right if you think something is wrong when it comes to tunes and very commonly it’s a base flatness or base bevel issue.

Was on my BO 98 yesterday and today along with the new Enforcer 104 and like them both. BO 98 much lighter with softer tip/tail but it’s still a lot of fun. Enforcer 104 has stiff tip/tails like the CT 2.0 but much stiffer underfoot.
Curious to try out the Sender Free 100 when it comes out as it should be similar to the BO 98 with a more modern profile.

[Dantheman]

I only got the Sender Squads in some patches of 6-7”, but I liked how the tips floated compared to my BO118s. I have my BO118s pretty close to center and they are super maneuverable there, but obviously not nearly as directional.

BO118s more of a plow and eat up junk better, but I can ski Squads significantly harder when it’s less bumped/chopped out.

I mounted my BO118s about -2.5 cm/-5 cm so that certainly helps with the float. If it's just chop and not bumps you can definitely ski the Squads harder/faster, but when proper moguls had formed the maneuverability of the BO118s became a nice feature. Same for trying to milk those last deep sashes in tighter places where the Squads can become a bit much.

The Squads are also in their true element when going mach looney, and you just tend to do less of that on 18"+ days.