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  1. #701
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    Any comparisons between Q and Hoji? Specifically, 188 special edition Q and 187 15/16 (red, heavy) Hoji. I like the Hoji pretty well, but sometimes wish it had a twin tip for those half-integer spins.

  2. #702
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    i ran a bar over my Qs, and they look a tiny bit edge high (little bit of daylight in the middle). just mounted. should i fix before skiing, or just ski?


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  3. #703
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    Iíd ski a day or two and see how they are. Then re-check

  4. #704
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muggydude View Post
    Iíd ski a day or two and see how they are. Then re-check
    Are you suggesting that skis that are railed relax and go flat after skiing?

  5. #705
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    Potentially, yes. Outer sides of the base tend to wear down faster as well.

    Iím not talking about a very railed ski going flat, but a tiny bit can definitely flatten out

  6. #706
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muggydude View Post
    Potentially, yes. Outer sides of the base tend to wear down faster as well.

    Iím not talking about a very railed ski going flat, but a tiny bit can definitely flatten out
    Huh, interesting. Iíve never given a railed ski enough time to flatten on its own. Figured, you railed, I fix you!

  7. #707
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    If itís not much maybe the base is dry. Wax on wax off maybe twice

  8. #708
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    itís not much, base is dry. thanks all, will start there, ski them, stop overthinking.


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  9. #709
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    Took out the 188 Qís for their maiden voyage. These were custom. Went as stiff and as heavy as I could get em. Also had Keith do zero camber. Same rocker as tabkes OG GPO. These remind me a
    lot of the renegade but not as sketchy on firmer conditions due to the decent amount of effective edge and a bit of a longer running length. Wasnít super soft on Saturday at Kirkwood so didnít have them in their ultimate element but I found them to be plenty surfy and stable Through softer 2 day old blown Chunder. Not as damp as a 189 billy but pretty close.
    Go Sox!

  10. #710
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    Nothingís that damp.
    wait!!!! waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait...Wait!
    Zoolander wasn't a documentary?

  11. #711
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    The more I ski the Q, the move amazing I find it. It hasn't really snowed here in a month and I've been skiing all kinds of groomers and bumps. I can't believe how well it works in these situations.

  12. #712
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpacent View Post
    Took out the 188 Q’s for their maiden voyage. These were custom. Went as stiff and as heavy as I could get em. Also had Keith do zero camber. Same rocker as tabkes OG GPO. These remind me a
    lot of the renegade but not as sketchy on firmer conditions due to the decent amount of effective edge and a bit of a longer running length. Wasn’t super soft on Saturday at Kirkwood so didn’t have them in their ultimate element but I found them to be plenty surfy and stable Through softer 2 day old blown Chunder. Not as damp as a 189 billy but pretty close.
    As another regular KW skier debating these two skis, I'd love to hear more of your thoughts between the two of them.

  13. #713
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBB View Post
    As another regular KW skier debating these two skis, I'd love to hear more of your thoughts between the two of them.
    Was hoping that the praxis was going to be as stable and damp as the BG AND as loose/easy to maneuver in variable conditions. Was also hoping to get some added hard snow performance out if the Q because of the lower profile rocker and longer effective edge. The flat camber I think undermined my last goal for improved ice performance but thatís not that a bad thing necessarily as I am excited to get them in softer snow. That being said, I doubt they will be better than the BG in pow as the BG is one of the best pow skis I have ever been on. Lot of overlap - will never get rid of the BG, we will see about the Q.
    Go Sox!

  14. #714
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    Quote Originally Posted by tpacent View Post
    will never get rid of the BG, we will see about the Q.
    That says it all right there. Thanks for sharing.

    Although the Q continues to intrigue me, I have a feeling I should just pony up and get a pair of BGs.

  15. #715
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    Quote Originally Posted by GBB View Post
    That says it all right there. Thanks for sharing.

    Although the Q continues to intrigue me, I have a feeling I should just pony up and get a pair of BGs.
    Yes. Thatís a decision that generally passes without regrets.
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  16. #716
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    Having never skied the Q, I feel like it is the GPO trend all over again. "Hey this is Alto's/Tabke"s ski! It's going to do it ALL!" Guys go all in during the summer pre-sale and then Q's end up all over Gear Swap once the snow starts. Same thing happened with the GPO's (which I did own). Not saying that Praxis makes bad skis, but there is SO much hype around these can they ever live up to expectations? I for one have had a tough time finding a Praxis ski that works for me. Maybe I just don't have the patience to learn how to ski a Praxis ski?
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  17. #717
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    On my limited time with them, the Qs are my favorite ski Iíve been on to date. That list includes:

    186 BG
    187 Concept
    Kartel 116/Jeffrey 114
    187 GPO
    187 Lhasa Pow Fat
    ON3P Jeronimos
    Praxis BC
    Blizzard Brahma
    192 Praxis Protest
    190 K2 Pontoon

    Obviously some of those skis do some things better than the Q. But overall itís my favorite

  18. #718
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    I'm with Muggy. I'd say "soft snow quiver of one".

    To add to Bandit, I wonder if the killer pre-sale price combined with the customers ability to outsmart himself with cores, layups, flexes etc, adds to the "Praxis for sale" thing.

  19. #719
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    I am with Foggy and Muggy... I absolutely love my ON3P quiver (SG, Wren 108, Wren 98, K 116 and OG Wren and Vicik) and also love my Praxis quiver (Q, GPO and MVP- one of the few that did not click with my BCs)... No doubt I see plenty of Praxis for sale on GS, but I also see plenty of ON3Ps... The SuperGoat is a fantastic ski and would never not have some sort of Goat in my quiver, but both the GPO and Q are a better well rounded all mountain ski for me...

  20. #720
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    My Qís almost made the trip to Japan, they are that good in soft snow, but not quite Protest good.


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  21. #721
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    Praxis Quixote - Jumped the Shark or Legit?

    Yeah, full on in agreement here, Qís could easily be a one ski quiver if you ski where a majority of your are days soft. Theyíre fuckin rad. Totally agree with Foggy that it probably is too easy to outsmart oneself with all the custom options, I would probably build 80% of my Praxis skis differently now that Iíve gone through the experience several times over. In a way I also agree a bit with Bandit but on the other side of the spectrum, Iíve always just clicked with Praxis skis and that (along with their ridiculous quality, phenomenal customer interaction, and of course all those build options and preseason sales) is why I continue to not stray far away, especially when Iím spending that kind of coin. If I hadnít clicked so well with my first pair I probably wouldnít have gone back, not because I wouldnít want to try another pair, but because thatís a grip of money to take chances with. I would like to hear more on Undertowís statement about the Supergoat, that is a ski that I very much want to have.
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  22. #722
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    Quote Originally Posted by SupreChicken View Post
    Yes. That’s a decision that generally passes without regrets.
    Yep. Popping in here because I'm finally serious about augmenting my 187 Bonafides and Sanouks. I'm well aware that I'm a luddite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post
    Having never skied the Q, I feel like it is the GPO trend all over again. "Hey this is Alto's/Tabke"s ski! It's going to do it ALL!" Guys go all in during the summer pre-sale and then Q's end up all over Gear Swap once the snow starts. Same thing happened with the GPO's (which I did own). Not saying that Praxis makes bad skis, but there is SO much hype around these can they ever live up to expectations? I for one have had a tough time finding a Praxis ski that works for me. Maybe I just don't have the patience to learn how to ski a Praxis ski?
    I very much agree with this observation, which is in part, why I've withheld purchase. This may be blasphemous around here, but I don't want to put that much thought into my ski purchase decision. All I need to know now is whether it should be the 184s or the 189s.

    Quote Originally Posted by skibrd View Post
    My Q’s almost made the trip to Japan, they are that good in soft snow, but not quite Protest good.
    Good data point.

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