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  1. #2651
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    I did a ramp FTP test on zwift last night and the results are not believable: 276 watts, which is at least 20% too high. Are you supposed to stop pedaling entirely once you're not able to complete a minute at the specified power level? I treated the rest of the test once I tapped out as an interval workout, 3 minutes off, 1 minute on, and I think that screwed up the results.

  2. #2652
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan_pdx View Post
    I did a ramp FTP test on zwift last night and the results are not believable: 276 watts, which is at least 20% too high. Are you supposed to stop pedaling entirely once you're not able to complete a minute at the specified power level? I treated the rest of the test once I tapped out as an interval workout, 3 minutes off, 1 minute on, and I think that screwed up the results.
    For the ramp test you are supposed to keep pedaling until you physically cannot. Once the power drops from the current targeted minute it will end the test (if you are on ERG you won't be able to physically turn the cranks once your cadence drops, non-ERG your power will just be too low). It should auto-end the ramp test when this happens, not sure how you kept going with intervals. Other thing to remember is you should be seated for the test.

    I find the ramp test overstates my FTP as well since I bias toward shorter power duration (strong legs). Once you know where your FTP likely is, try a 20 min test instead with steady power, 95ish % of what you believe your FTP to be. You can negative split it if you are feeling good the last half or 5 min.

  3. #2653
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    Huh, yeah, I think I tapped out at 240 or 260, went down to 100 watts, went down to 100 watts as a cooldown, and the ramp test just didn't end so I tried to jump in on some of the higher output minutes. Maybe I should have just stopped pedaling once I couldn't keep up.

    I did do the 20 minute ramp test one time, and it was so fucking painful that I couldn't bring myself to do it again. I'm probably going to switch to trainer road for targeted training anyways, so this is a little academic. Just thought that was a pretty weird reading

  4. #2654
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    Bean and Jamal, thanks for the tips. First week of the Gran Fondo plan completed, felt pretty good. I found that spinning near 90rpm seemed to really help stay in the power target range. Oddly, it seem like my Erg only lightly works at that level, but if I get closer to 60rpm to stand, I can feel the Erg kick in.

    Jamal, good reminder for me to get outside for those recovery rides. I've turned into an indoor rider....need to get out more now that our weather is getting better.

  5. #2655
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iowagriz View Post
    Bean and Jamal, thanks for the tips. First week of the Gran Fondo plan completed, felt pretty good. I found that spinning near 90rpm seemed to really help stay in the power target range. Oddly, it seem like my Erg only lightly works at that level, but if I get closer to 60rpm to stand, I can feel the Erg kick in.
    If your cadence drops, erg mode will increase the resistance, which will make you slow down even more to keep power up, which leads to a death spiral. Might be helpful for people to try it with erg mode off if they’re not used to high cadence

  6. #2656
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    I'm checking in after finishing week 3. The long, steady state intervals were hard. 20min at 85% of FTP, then 10min at 75%, repeat 3x. This was after doing 6x of 2min versions earlier. I took a big nap on the couch after lunch. Overall, hitting the power markers hasn't been hard, but I certainly feel the accumulation by the end of the week.

  7. #2657
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    I broke my arm a month ago (humerus) and had surgery 2.5 weeks ago. I’m starting to feel like a normal human again and I’m able/allowed to brisk walk and stationery bike (Zwift). I’m considering a Zwift training plan to build some structure, motivation, and fun into getting back to fitness.

    Any suggestions? Likely planning to ride 3-5x/week as I build fitness back. Pebble Pounder seems good given my current state, with Gran Fondo and FTP Builder also being solid. Gravel Grinder and Build Me Up also seem good.

    Prior to my injury I was riding 1-3x/week (usually 40-80 mile road ride), running 2-3x week, and lifting 2x week. Currently riding with one arm, so will be hands-free in the saddle most days. I can’t imagine doing 90+mins on a trainer at this time - mostly out of boredom - but perhaps I could be convinced. Not a racer - when I’m healthy I just enjoy long-ish days out (z2 with occasional z3/z4) on gravel/roads with friends.

    Going to go do the Rainbow ride right now. Thanks in advance.

  8. #2658
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    Did a little more research:

    -FTP Builder - seems to be the best overall. Lots of Z1/Z2, more variety, doesn't seem like I will get bored, etc.
    -Gran Fondo - I thought this one would be good but it seems like a high percentage of Z3, which doesn't seem as beneficial.
    -Gravel Grinder - though the zone distribution doesn't seem bad, when you actually look at the workouts there is a lot of Z3+ efforts early on, and given my fitness and that I'm biking with one arm in the saddle, it doesn't seem to be good. It's supposed to simulate steep gravel climbs, etc.
    -Back to Fitness - while the zone distribution doesn't seem bad, I'm not sure I need that much z4-z6 and the workouts seem a little gimmicky.

    Pebble Pounder seemed too high on z3; planning on FTP Builder but also open to thoughts.

  9. #2659
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    Have you chased all of the Route Badges down yet? That could be a different option for motivation. Ride your own pace, start with the shorter or lower climbing versions. You'll get a bunch of xp and level up quickly.

  10. #2660
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Did a little more research:

    -FTP Builder - seems to be the best overall. Lots of Z1/Z2, more variety, doesn't seem like I will get bored, etc.
    -Gran Fondo - I thought this one would be good but it seems like a high percentage of Z3, which doesn't seem as beneficial.
    -Gravel Grinder - though the zone distribution doesn't seem bad, when you actually look at the workouts there is a lot of Z3+ efforts early on, and given my fitness and that I'm biking with one arm in the saddle, it doesn't seem to be good. It's supposed to simulate steep gravel climbs, etc.
    -Back to Fitness - while the zone distribution doesn't seem bad, I'm not sure I need that much z4-z6 and the workouts seem a little gimmicky.

    Pebble Pounder seemed too high on z3; planning on FTP Builder but also open to thoughts.
    If you're looking to improve, Grand Fondo or Gravel Grinder are a good program. If you are looking to maintain, I would recommend the FTP or Back to Fitness.

  11. #2661
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Gran Fondo - I thought this one would be good but it seems like a high percentage of Z3, which doesn't seem as beneficial.
    It’s not that Z3 isn’t beneficial, it’s that it generates more fatigue than Z2. If all you’re doing is that training plan and otherwise taking life easy and healing up you’ll be fine. I think it’s a decent training plan and worth doing for a couple months while you’re healing. Good amount of base time too and only 8 weeks long.
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  12. #2662
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    Zwift, TR, Sufferfest etc

    Quote Originally Posted by Iowagriz View Post
    Have you chased all of the Route Badges down yet? That could be a different option for motivation. Ride your own pace, start with the shorter or lower climbing versions. You'll get a bunch of xp and level up quickly.
    I’ve done this past few years and have now tapped out all but the longest pretzel/uberpretzel and the really high London one. Personally found it motivating enough w/o going to a training plan which I’d been married too while training for XC racing.

    The new coastal routes were pretty good, rolling with enough hills to keep it interesting w/o suffering 20-60min uphill grinds.


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  13. #2663
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iowagriz View Post
    Have you chased all of the Route Badges down yet? That could be a different option for motivation. Ride your own pace, start with the shorter or lower climbing versions. You'll get a bunch of xp and level up quickly.
    I haven't...I'll add that to the list for variety. Thanks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jtlange View Post
    If you're looking to improve, Grand Fondo or Gravel Grinder are a good program. If you are looking to maintain, I would recommend the FTP or Back to Fitness.
    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    It’s not that Z3 isn’t beneficial, it’s that it generates more fatigue than Z2. If all you’re doing is that training plan and otherwise taking life easy and healing up you’ll be fine. I think it’s a decent training plan and worth doing for a couple months while you’re healing. Good amount of base time too and only 8 weeks long.
    Fair, I could have phrased it better. I was more thinking in the sense of the 80/20 paradigm it seemed a bit unbalanced. Sleep has been rough the last few weeks so I'm going do FTP Builder for now and add in more volume/intensity if I'm feeling good. Thank you both for the suggestions.

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