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Thread: Truck Tire Time
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04-04-2017, 09:58 AM #176
^^ Are they heavier?
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04-04-2017, 11:36 AM #177
Interesting. I was considering the LTX for my next tire because it gets good reviews and supposedly lasts a long time. But after reading these posts, I just looked at tirerack, and it seems that there are two LTXs, the "Highway/All-Season" M/S version, and the On/Off-Road "AT" version. I was looking at the M/S version, knowing that I would be sacrificing some snow traction in exchange for much longer life and maybe better mileage? Seems like the M/S version is very highly rated, and the AT version not so much.
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04-04-2017, 11:59 AM #178
All I know is that driving Kai's truck with the LTX reminded me of a shitty 2wd car with bald tires. It was really bad. 4WD diesel truck with an Alaskan Camper should not have traction issues on a ski area access road that is plowed.
Leavenworth Skier gives his endorsement to the Duratrac.
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04-04-2017, 12:01 PM #179
Looking at the image of the ltx ms2 on tirerack, it appears to have siped tread blocks. That alone should make it more capable in slick conditions, but it probably won't help in deep/wet snow or mud. The ltx at2 has no siping whatsoever, and the lugs are not deep enough to be considered off-road capable.
For my purposes, I don't think I'll ever purchase another set of "all-season" tires without the mountain/snowflake symbol. I'd rather shell out $1000 every 30k than suffer through poor handling and control for 65k miles. Seems like cheap insurance to keep the rig out of the ditch.
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04-04-2017, 12:14 PM #180
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04-04-2017, 12:15 PM #181
We have the ltx ms2 and it is a great tire wet and dry. Really good in snow for an all season but definitely not a snow tire. I read in a tech article somewhere that the silica enhanced tread is formulated for 42 degree rain. We have also used them off road on the occasions we get to the San Juans and they work fine for low and slow.
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04-04-2017, 12:27 PM #182
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04-04-2017, 12:41 PM #183
I agree, and disagree. I've also had both on my truck and both are great tires for sure.
Snowpacked: equal
Ice: Dynapro slightly better
Deep snow: Duratrac better
Wet: equal
Dry: traction equal, Dynapro quieter
Mud: Duratrac better
Offroad: Duratrac better
Wear: not a fair comparision as the Duratrac's tread is nearly twice as deep in the sizes I owned, however due to that the Duratrac looks like it'll last longer
Price: Dynapro
For Danno, I know his use well enough to agree the Dynapro is a better tire for him. However it may not be the better tire for everybody.Last edited by adrenalated; 04-04-2017 at 12:52 PM.
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04-04-2017, 12:50 PM #184
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04-04-2017, 12:53 PM #185
One reason I am considering the LTX M/S, because while I *like* to think I need a burly snow tire, the reality is that most of my driving is on dry or wet roads, even if most of the miles I do are trips to the mountains and back. The road to WP is usually dry until somewhere around the Jones/Butler turn, so it seems like a burly 4wd vehicle with ok snow-performance tires would be fine. And I'm fucking tired of getting 30-40k out of a set of expensive as fuck tires. A few people on the Sequoia forums have reported long tread life on the LTX.
"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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04-04-2017, 01:07 PM #186
They definitely will last you a long time. They aren't the best on hard ice but they are predictable at least. On snow and packed snow they are pretty good. Not like Xice3 good though. I wish I knew how many miles we have on ours but my record keeping isn't always the best. At least 50k but probably more like 60k bought them in 2011. Tons of tread left.
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04-04-2017, 01:14 PM #187Registered User
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I ran the previous gen LTX M/S's and really liked them.
Keep in mind that OEM tires aren't the same as the replacement versions, even if they have the same name. Often there are trade-offs to make them get better fuel economy.
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04-04-2017, 01:21 PM #188For Danno, I know his use well enough to agree the Dynapro is a better tire for him. However it may not be the better tire for everybody.
I think you'll be fine on the ms2, however, something with a snowflake would be my preference for a car that gets driven to the ski hill. The dynapro has a 50k mile rating.
No one should be on the ltx AT2 if there's any chance they'll be in ice or snow.
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04-04-2017, 02:28 PM #189
Truck Tire Time
Second happy winter (California) with the cooper at-w on a land cruiser. I often run with an open differential and have never had traction problems with acceleration, cornering, or braking. I drive appropriately conservative in snow/icy conditions with a heavier SUV full of family. We run the tires all year long. About to spend a week on the unpaved roads/trails in Death Valley with likelihood of snow at the passes in the park. Not expecting issues.
Last edited by bodywhomper; 04-04-2017 at 03:14 PM.
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04-04-2017, 03:25 PM #190
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04-04-2017, 05:36 PM #191
I ran the ATMs on my 08 Tacoma while living the Seattle area and they were a great compromise between dry/wet road manners and off-road and snow capability. They were very quiet and smooth-running until about 60-65k miles, then hummed a bit till about 70k miles when I decided that 1/4" tread was a little less than I liked. Mileage remained unchanged (18-20mpg) from my slick-as-pucks OEM Dunlop tires. P load range was barely adequate for a fully-loaded 4x4 long-bed dual cab tacoma but rode nicely in town.
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04-05-2017, 07:56 AM #192"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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04-05-2017, 11:11 AM #193
For next tire purchase I am down to Cooper ATW, Falken AT3W, the Nokian Rotiiva Plus, or maybe the BFG KO2. Had a set of the older KOs in the past and it was not a good experience. Need something in an E load. On goodyear AT adventure kevlars now and they are just okay. Good treadwear but not that great in snow.
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04-05-2017, 11:40 AM #194
FWIW, I had a Nokian truck tire, now discontinued, something like the Vatiiva?, on my Frontier. It had good traction but was toast in 35k miles.
"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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04-05-2017, 11:45 AM #195
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04-05-2017, 12:35 PM #196
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04-05-2017, 12:42 PM #197
It definitely would be, but the ATW doesn't come in a C rating for the OEM tire size. They only have two C-rated size options. 4R is primarily my wife's daily driver. When I was tire shopping 18 months ago, I gave her the option of the ATW or the KO2 (which I would've gotten in C). She chose the ATW because it looked less-aggressive. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But yeah, if the ATW had come in a C, I definitely would've chosen that. I didn't want a p-rated tire due to offroad durability concerns.
The E-rating may come in handy if we pick up a travel trailer in the next year or so, which is possible. But even then, it'd probably be a light enough trailer that C-rated tires would be fine.
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04-05-2017, 01:13 PM #198
I'm a tire JONG. Can someone explain the different ratings, and what they mean, what the benefits/tradeoffs are? I don't really understand Aaron's question.
"fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
"She was tossing her bean salad with the vigor of a Drunken Pop princess so I walked out of the corner and said.... "need a hand?"" - Odin
"everybody's got their hooks into you, fuck em....forge on motherfuckers, drag all those bitches across the goal line with you." - (not so) ill-advised strategy
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04-05-2017, 01:33 PM #199
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04-05-2017, 01:40 PM #200
http://www.worktruckonline.com/artic...d-ratings.aspx
In brief, don't buy a D or E rated tire for anything other than a 3/4- or 1-ton (or heavier) truck. They're heavier, they cost more, they ride worse. If you feel you need a LT-rated tire on a 1/2-ton or lighter vehicle (i.e. every 4WD and crossover that isn't a Suburban 2500 or Excursion), then buy a C rated tire.
Note that a load range C tire may require higher PSI than a P-metric tire, to carry the same load.
A load range C tire is supposedly tougher than a P-metric tire for offroad use. In my experience, I have not found that to be the case. IMHO, D and E load range tires for offroad on light vehicles do not work well -- the stiffer carcass on those tires does not air down well for offroad use. If you aren't airing down significantly, you aren't really using that 4x4 in such tough offroad conditions anyway, so stick with a C or P-metric tire.
I'm sure someone will disagree vehemently with me on this. YMMV.
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