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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Tortoise View Post
    I've heard the Hankooks aren't any better than A/S tires. I'd knock them off your list.

    Another option would be to run Michelin X-Ices year round as they are among the longest lived winter tires.
    I'm also impressed by the longevity of these.
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    With the caveats that:

    • I'm not very scientific about all this (as compared to, say, my skimo race gear).
    • I'm a fairly cautious driver in general (i.e., not whipping around corners at high speed on country roads).
    • I'm almost never driving through deep unplowed snow.

    My experience is as follows:

    • Starting in the late 1990s, on a 1995 Subaru Legacy sedan and then a 2007 of the same, I would use various winter tires (with separate wheels) from around mid-November to early April, with all-season tires for the rest of the year.
    • On dry roads, the switch to winter tires each November definitely felt worse, and the switch to spring tires each April definitely felt better.
    • For the final set of winter tires on the 2007 Legacy, I went with the Nokian WRG3. Now the switch back-and-forth on dry roads was pretty much imperceptible.
    • For my 2015 Legacy, I just replaced the original all-season tires with a set of WRG3, which I now use year-round.
    • Overall, I don't miss my dedicated winter tires, and I don't miss my all-season tires for the summer. If you want more winter grip than all-season tires, but the vast majority of your driving (even on powder days) still entails lots of driving on dry interstate highways, then they sure seem perfect to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    Looking at the treads on the WR G3s (with about 21K miles on them according to my log), they look as if they'll be good for 40K miles.
    Mine are just shy of that for mileage and have about 5/32" left.
    (That includes two summers, one winter, and one winter that was really more like a summer for driving conditions, sigh...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    Just came here to post that I didn't even know this catagory of tire even existed. Looking at Tirerack right now, they do not even have an option for this.... But that seems like the type of tire I have always wanted.
    Might be because Nokian has deliberately limited its distribution.
    So can no longer buy them from Tire Rack.
    Ditto for our regional 300 lb gorilla:
    http://www.townfairtire.com/
    ... which otherwise has pretty much everything.
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    Just realized that I should specify what true winter tires I’ve previously used.
    No longer have the records for the 1995 Legacy, but for the 2007 it was:
    • Blizzak LM-25
    • Blizzak WS60 (just one winter, then died an early death the following fall on some interstate potholes from hell)
    • Blizzak LM-25 RFT
    The all-season tires for the 2007 were just the OEM (stretched out for a looong time when I combined them with some leftovers of the same from my wife’s Legacy) then the Cooper Zeon RS3-A.
    Size for both winter & summer was 205/50 R17.
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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    The General Arctic Altimax comes up in a lot of the threads here (they're made be Gislaved).
    IMO they're pretty much the best budget snow tire you can buy. They don't equal a Blizzak or Nokian, but those are typically around double the price. I've had the Generals on two cars now. The first was a rear wheel drive Miata that was absolutely hopeless with all seasons with even the slightest dusting of snow. It made the thing driveable on plowed roads around town. Now they're on my front wheel drive hatchback and I've taken it up Berthoud Pass in a storm with no issues at all.

    However, my main mountain rig is still a 4x4 truck with Duratracs (severe snow rated). If I didn't have that I'd probably pony up for Nokians. A buddy has them on his AWD Evo and the thing is a monster in the snow.

    No experience with all weather tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Chupacabra View Post

    One more tire I forgot to list in the first post, and probably belongs in this category : Continental Extreme Contact DWS :

    http://www.continentaltire.com/produ...s-19550r16-84w
    I just bought a set of these for my XV. I have a 330mi commute to Mammoth, so a full snow tire is not ideal. Tire is great in rain, haven't gotten it on snow yet.
    Quote Originally Posted by esseff View Post
    Just curious, why can't you fit an A/T tire on your rig?

    I too spend a lot of time on 80 between SF and and TC and I've been pretty much unstoppable in a Yokohama Geolandar AT/S on a Land Cruiser. Great tire.
    I had Geolandar ATS on my old Forrester. Its a full all terrian truck tire with a size small enough to fit a suby with a 16" wheel. That tire is very manageable on snow and so much fun on dirt roads. Most of the new subys have a 17" wheel and come stock with the passenger version Geolandar. Which is not that great on snow. I was really debating buying 16" wheels and going back to the ATS.
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    Not sure if geolander go15 is replacing the full A/T but clearly the version I got is more oriented toward snow. More sipes and feels like softer/more malleable compound.
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    I had the truck rated geolanders on my tundra as summer tires for a few years. I hated them. They made the vehicle really unstable in the corners as the edge lugs where too soft compared to the Nokians and duratracks. However they did wear like iron even for summer use. I would highly recommend the duratracs over them.

    FWIW my new truck came with General's on it stock, and those tires suck ass. Cant wait to burn threw them and replace with duratracks for summer use. I have not used the duratracks for winter driving but I know a few guys that use them for weekend use i the winter and say they do well.

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    When I had wr2's, the high silica winter-oriented tread was a relatively thin layer on the outside of the tire. Is this still the case for these "all weather" tires (not the snowflake rated AT tires).

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    I put continental extreme contact dws on my daughter's toyota matrix and they have been phenomenal 3+ season tires. At 25k miles, they just started showing wear. They are quiet riding and do great in rain and occasional snow. She runs studded hakks in the winter though.

    I wouldn't trust the dws tires for everyday mountain travel unless they were on an awd car. That said, it sounds like their mileage longevity significanlty outlast the WR2 and WR3.

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    Had two sets of WR's on my RAV. They were a good snow tire for an AWD. They didn't have the stopping grip of winters, but forward traction was good. They were good in summer and had good wear resistance. I didn't get the full guaranteed Km's out of them, but they discounted me on the next pair the percentage they were short on the guarantee, about 20% as I got 80km on a 100k warranty. They worked well as a summer SUV tire as well.

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    Braking power/ability is the most important part of a tire in snow, wet, or other frozen conditions.

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    I had some WRG2 tires I used as winter tires on a fwd Ford Fusion, and loved them the first few seasons. Season three, was a bit sketchy, and by four they sucked. Seemed like a good idea for new england where most interstate miles are wet pavement.

    Replaced with Goodyear Ultra Grip which I really like.

    I've been running Goodyear Triple Treads on an awd Suby year round and really like that combo. I've had multiple sets on multiple Subys.

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    What price should I be paying for the Nokian WRG3? About.

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    I just buy whichever regular tires are rated best for snow by Consumer Reports- recently that was the general Altimax RT43. Seems to work out well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    What price should I be paying for the Nokian WRG3? About.
    I'm seeing ~$130 when you include shipping for 205/55 r16. I wish TireRack carried Nokians, but no-go.

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    Same size is $116/tire with free shipping from tiresbyweb.com. Figure another $50-60 (per set) for mounting and balancing depending on your local shop.

    Just looked back and I've ordered 3 sets for my car, same size, about 2 years apart (2010, 2013, 2015) and each set was cheaper than the last. Falling EUR/USD exchange I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teledad View Post
    Just looked back and I've ordered 3 sets for my car, same size, about 2 years apart (2010, 2013, 2015) and each set was cheaper than the last. Falling EUR/USD exchange I guess.
    How many miles are you getting on a set? Year-round driving?

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    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    The General Arctic Altimax comes up in a lot of the threads here (they're made be Gislaved).
    Just put a set of these on a spare wheelset for winter, should be a million times better than the sipe-free, hard rubber AT tires on my 4Runner. Very reasonably priced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bodywhomper View Post
    How many miles are you getting on a set? Year-round driving?
    45K on one set. 35K on the other, but those were retired early because of a sidewall flat (decided to replace all 4 rather than have one ground down to match the others to avoid messing up the AWD). Year-round driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    What price should I be paying for the Nokian WRG3? About.
    I seem to recall about $200 a tire for an Outback sized tire. They ain't cheap.

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    I seem to be having good luck with Uniroyal Tigerpaw.
    I don't do snows, I just get nice and ridgey all-seasons. So far so good keeping my old Subie going where I want it to. Snowbowl road can really suck, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn View Post
    Just an uneducated guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teledad View Post
    45K on one set. 35K on the other, but those were retired early because of a sidewall flat (decided to replace all 4 rather than have one ground down to match the others to avoid messing up the AWD). Year-round driving.
    Thanks. Lotta miles.

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    "All weather" tires in place of winter tires

    Any experiences with the Conti Xtreme Contacts? Looking to use them on my AWD MDX for I70 driving.

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