2016-7 Scarpa F1 Evo

[LeeLau]

New improved F1s. Such amazing boots. Soooo happy to get them back. Fits me like a glove

http://www.scarpa.net/en/f1.html

To build on a previous review posted here http://www.tetongravity.com/story/sk...g-boot-2014-15 . I had to give back my old boots due to the recall

Note that Kingpin compatible is now a thing

[TripleT]

No other changes beyond fixing the walk mode? Ie same decent lateral stiffness (you equated to mango maestale?) but kinda squishy for driving forward?

[LeeLau]

No other changes beyond fixing the walk mode? Ie same decent lateral stiffness (you equated to mango maestale?) but kinda squishy for driving forward?

A little bit more of a pronounced rear ledge so it works with Kingpin. Performance feels the same on carpet test. Not on snow yet

[trogdortheburninator]

Soles are different rubber and there is a nesting rivet for the tongue.

[Bronco]

Are they any easier to get on and off than the old version?

[LeeLau]

Are they any easier to get on and off than the old version?

Oh yes. The old one was a pain. This one's way easier

[gregL]

Are they any easier to get on and off than the old version?

Depends on your midfoot volume/instep height. With the orange tongue pulled up off the nesting rivet, they are easier to put on my foot than the old design but still not "easy."

[XavierD]

Are they any easier to get on and off than the old version?

Yes

[NWFlow]

These really ski as well as the old mango maestrales? Time to replace the maestrales and debating if I should go stiffer (e.g. mtn Lab) or light (e.g. f1).

[LeeLau]

These really ski as well as the old mango maestrales? Time to replace the maestrales and debating if I should go stiffer (e.g. mtn Lab) or light (e.g. f1).

Based on 10 days of so I'd say yes

[NWFlow]

well. that's tempting.

[funkendrenchman]

Just bought a pair. Best out of the box heal grip of any boot I've tried on.

[Meadow Skipper]

Does anyone know if the 'Primary Hp Polyammide' shell will hold a punch?

[LeeLau]

Does anyone know if the 'Primary Hp Polyammide' shell will hold a punch?

It does but punch gently and slowly

[Meadow Skipper]

^^^Oh shit, I emailed Scarpa about this and heard back, but I forgot to post. They said basically that same thing:

The lower shell will be able to punched, but the material is thin compared to other boots. Therefore, you won’t be able to stretch the material as much as a traditional boot. On the plus side, it is built on a 102mm last which is wider than our other boots as well.
I hope this helps!

But thanks, LL.

I did the liner molding for a friend last week. Seems like a pretty nice boot. He's hard on his toys though, I'll be interested to see how they hold up.

[I've seen black diamonds!]

F1's will fit me well with navicular punch and maybe a 6th toe. Any reason a navicular punch might be problem?

Anybody tried on these and the Proclines?

Thanks

[hop]

Took mine out for their maiden voyage today - skinned up/skied down about 1500' vert. I had the first gen 26.0 and I couldn't even get them on my feet, then had the 2nd gen in a 27.0 and had a two-finger + shell fit so I never bothered to use them before I had to send them back. Now back in the 26.0 and they seem to be just fine. I was worried that a one-finger shell fit would be too tight but now that they're molded all is well.

It's a bit finicky getting the tongue of the boot and liner all lined up properly when you're putting them on but it's not that big of a deal. Different, but not really any worse than the Maestrale RS I am used to.

The weight is great and so far they ski fine. Day 1 initial impression = I'm guessing my Maestrale RS will start to gather dust.

BTW, the proper name for these is just "F1" The "evo" part has been dropped.

edit: one thing that is annoying is that cuff doesn't have a cant rivet. It's straight up and down. Not ideal for my legs.

[LeeLau]

F1's will fit me well with navicular punch and maybe a 6th toe. Any reason a navicular punch might be problem?

Anybody tried on these and the Proclines?

Thanks

Procline is a tad tighter at toe and at instep. But I'd have bet that would be cured by a liner cook. That was just a carpet test fwiw

[LeeLau]

The weight is great and so far they ski fine. Day 1 initial impression = I'm guessing my Maestrale RS will start to gather dust.

BTW, the proper name for these is just "F1" The "evo" part has been dropped.

edit: one thing that is annoying is that cuff doesn't have a cant rivet. It's straight up and down. Not ideal for my legs.

Yah i brainfarted on the Evo bit. There's also a forward lean adjustment so you can flip around the receiving part of the lock mechanism so it changes from 18 to 22 deg. But I kind of like boots that are a bit more upright so left it at factory setting. Did you try that ?

Guess Scarpa had to keep it simple for canting and drop weight somehow. It looks like you could take out the stock rivet and put in a cant rivet.

[hop]

Yah i brainfarted on the Evo bit. There's also a forward lean adjustment so you can flip around the receiving part of the lock mechanism so it changes from 18 to 22 deg. But I kind of like boots that are a bit more upright so left it at factory setting. Did you try that ?

Guess Scarpa had to keep it simple for canting and drop weight somehow. It looks like you could take out the stock rivet and put in a cant rivet.

The forward lean is fine. No issues there. Cant = lateral. I can't imagine a cant rivet would add more weight vs. a normal rivet; they are basically the same amount of metal, just in different places on the rivet. Even if they did add a couple grams I think the benefits of being able to properly aligning the cuff to the leg of the user would be worth it.

[Practitioner]

What skis are people pairing with these? I'm eyeing an F1 - Dhaulagiri setup as my main, every day, do it all touring setup this year and wondering people's thoughts.

[hop]

What skis are people pairing with these? I'm eyeing an F1 - Dhaulagiri setup as my main, every day, do it all touring setup this year and wondering people's thoughts.

I've now got two days - both with 177cm Coomback 104s. I'll probably ski these on skis up to the 115mm class; anything bigger than that and I'm generally on tele gear.

[adrenalated]

F1 flex compared to TLT6P (with tongue)?

[Island Bay]

Hop, Lee, et al, would you mind elaborating on the Maestrale comparison?

I'm on 5yo Mangos for touring, and sometimes when a lot of bootpacking and ridge hiking is called for. They'll die one day, though. Do the Evos feel much less substantial?

[LeeLau]

What skis are people pairing with these? I'm eyeing an F1 - Dhaulagiri setup as my main, every day, do it all touring setup this year and wondering people's thoughts.

I had them with G3 Spitfires and Zenoxides. Also tried with Blizzard ZeroG 95s and will try with Salomon Mtn 88s. So a bit more the lighter boots with the lighter, quicker skis