Salomon Mtn tech "Pin" binding

**mall walker** · 01-09-2018, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by ccl

I’ve been using this binding all season (20 days?) and love it. It has more features than a race binding but is still damn light.

I thought I would use the feature you describe more frequently as I’m used to Plum race heels, but it’s so easy to push the heel unit from sideways/tour mode to ski with a ski pole grip that I rarely use it.

but there's no need unless you're going to flat mode right?

**doebedoe** · 01-09-2018, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat

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Safety - This binding has more elastic travel then any low tech offering from Dynafit that I had used in the past. Comforts - TLT - Vertical FT . The fact that I skied this binding hard in area with confidence was inspiring. I for one am glad that there is no lock mode for the Toe. Safer that way.

Huh? I don't see anything that suggests these bindings have elastic travel. Dynafits don't either.

**Skidog** · 01-09-2018, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by doebedoe

Huh? I don't see anything that suggests these bindings have elastic travel. Dynafits don't either.

i was perplexed with this statement as well. I thought the pins rested nearly snug up to the boot (what 3mm ish?) but maybe i misread something somewhere.

**F#*k you cat** · 01-09-2018, 03:54 PM

Ok nick pick me. Just pointing out that I skied all conditions both in area and out. Including a 8 foot drop. My experience with dynafiddles would pop off when hucked or basically skied hard in area. Forcing me to lock the toes. Which is not friendly to my tib fib. The MTN did not release all day. Inspiring confidence. If it is 3mm then perfect. Still more than zero.

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**doebedoe** · 01-09-2018, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat

Ok nick pick me. Just pointing out that I skied all conditions both in area and out. Including a 8 foot drop. My experience with dynafiddles would pop off when hucked or basically skied hard in area. Forcing me to lock the toes. Which is not friendly to my tib fib. The MTN did not release all day. Inspiring confidence. If it is 3mm then perfect. Still more than zero.

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It's not a nit pick when you say "elastic travel" when neither binding has elastic travel. It's a critical safety and skiability element of binding design that separates all pin-bindings except the Vipec/Tecton from alpine bindings.

Not releasing isn't about elastic travel. Its about clamping force / retention.

No one is saying they don't ski well, perhaps better than dynafiddles. Just that saying "elastic travel" is like saying Pivots release laterally at the heel. Neither is true.

And the 3mm SkiDog is referring to is the heel gap. Dynafits have 4.5-5.5mm here. So if that is the "elastic travel" you're talking about, Dynafits have more than the MTNs, not zero.

**Skidog** · 01-09-2018, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat

Ok nick pick me. Just pointing out that I skied all conditions both in area and out. Including a 8 foot drop. My experience with dynafiddles would pop off when hucked or basically skied hard in area. Forcing me to lock the toes. Which is not friendly to my tib fib. The MTN did not release all day. Inspiring confidence. If it is 3mm then perfect. Still more than zero.

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I've skied more than a few hard days at Alta on comforts and some on rad 2.0. rads feel better due to heel gap being wider and a moving toe to absorb some shock. Comforts more like mtn. Only place I skied either locked out was main chute. Never once did they ejected me.

I think skiing style has a lot to do with how pin tech bindings release. I mean hoji #nuffsaid

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**LeeLau** · 01-09-2018, 06:43 PM

Not sure if I posted my review to this thread. This binding is remarkable in being the first tech binding released in a few years which didn't have issues right out of the gate.

But it has no elasticity

http://www.doglotion.com/salomon-bac...s-mtn-lab-boot

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**ccl** · 01-09-2018, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by mbillie1

but there's no need unless you're going to flat mode right?

Yep, no need to. But I often do just in case I encounter the unexpected flat area.

Pretty sure the heel gap is 5mm. Most Dynafits are 5.5mm so negligible difference.

The toe clamps tight enough that I can do most powder, easy skinning with it in ski mode, and I’m 190 pounds. This is a nice benefit in avy terrain and is one less step at transitions. Definitely want it locked in walk mode for any form skinning or aggressive kick turning.

**gregL** · 01-10-2018, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by ccl

Pretty sure the heel gap is 5mm. Most Dynafits are 5.5mm so negligible difference.

Correct gap for the MTN/Backland Tour is 4mm. Current "static" Dynafits are all 5.5mm, original TLT was 4mm.

**Skidog** · 01-10-2018, 07:18 AM

Originally Posted by gregL

Correct gap for the MTN/Backland Tour is 4mm. Current "static" Dynafits are all 5.5mm, original TLT was 4mm.

The 4mm was what I was thinking. I typically used 3 quarters stacked together when I couldn't find the dynafit provided shim.

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**markcjr** · 03-01-2018, 12:06 AM

What is the equivalent to 4 mm? Is there something such as a Allen key I could stick in there. I do not believe my bindings came with a shim. And do you want it just touching the shim or pressed firmly against it? Thanks

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**MultiVerse** · 03-01-2018, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by markcjr

What is the equivalent to 4 mm? Is there something such as a Allen key I could stick in there. I do not believe my bindings came with a shim. And do you want it just touching the shim or pressed firmly against it? Thanks

You can use the binding leash clasp that came with the bindings by turning it on its side to set the heal gap.

**jacob_dbu** · 03-01-2018, 03:33 AM

Originally Posted by markcjr

What is the equivalent to 4 mm? Is there something such as a Allen key I could stick in there. I do not believe my bindings came with a shim. And do you want it just touching the shim or pressed firmly against it? Thanks

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Hmm I would suggest a 4mm Allen key.

**Spyderjon** · 03-01-2018, 05:49 AM

Lay a 5/32" drill bit across the pins (=3.97mm).

**Spyderjon** · 03-01-2018, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by markcjr

What is the equivalent to 4 mm?.....And do you want it just touching the shim or pressed firmly against it?......TGR Forums mobile app

Lay a 5/32" drill bit across the pins (=3.97mm). Just lightly touching/dragging.

**adrenalated** · 03-01-2018, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by thejongiest

Hmm I would suggest a 4mm Allen key.

Beat me to it.

**Cosmic Suncloud** · 03-01-2018, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by MultiVerse

You can use the binding leash clasp that came with the bindings by turning it on its side to set the heal gap.

this - its width is designed specifically for that purpose.

**markcjr** · 03-01-2018, 10:27 PM

Thanks guys

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**nickel** · 03-30-2018, 03:32 PM

Anybody usually ski with heels at 11/12 "din" who can comment on pre release with expert springs?

**markcjr** · 03-30-2018, 07:39 PM

I ski with my dins on 12/13 and use the expert Springs and have not pre released. I also cycle the springs to clear snow before I step in the front

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**nickel** · 03-30-2018, 11:29 PM

Good. Thanks for the feedback. weight + bsl?

**markcjr** · 03-31-2018, 06:10 PM

175# nekkid
327 bsl

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**gregL** · 03-31-2018, 06:15 PM

Same experience here. Ski alpine bindings at DIN 12, no prereleases yet with Expert spring. 170 lbs. 288/295/301/302/305 BSL depending on boot.

**ccl** · 03-31-2018, 06:44 PM

This doesn’t necessarily answer the OP’s question but it’s another data point. I have 50-60 days on three pairs of the Salomon and Atomic versions with the Man spring. I’m 190#, 314mm BSL, and I’ve yet to release much less prerelease. I’ve skied them fairly aggressively, with a heavy pack, and on some boilerplate snow - no issues.