Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[jono]

I put a lot of time on a Pinion C1.12 (an actual transmission ) and on that system the careful downshifting is kind of an irritating skill to have to acquire.

But with that done I notice that toast's situation is actually more critical: a C1.12 will upshift a gear or three at a full sprint, unless you need to cross 5th or 9th. Which can be pretty likely if you need to clear a jump that's preceded by a climb and a short descent. Or really any significant increase in downslope. Works great on trails that stay fast enough to live in 9-12, but I only have one of those closeby.

[XXX-er]

NX shifter for e-bike only allows me to shift 1 gear at a time

it requires anticipppp ation

SRAM protecting me from myself ,

[toast2266]

Thanks, that helps a lot. Does "essentially a non-issue" mean you don't notice the delay between 2nd and 1st, or just not very often? Never to the point of being a problem, I assume?

For single shifts (i.e. 2nd to 1st) it's maybe *slightly* slower than other drivetrains, but like gretch said, it shifts really well under load so it kinda doesn't matter. If the shift isn't 100% completed when you hit the steep little punch that you're shifting for, you just kinda stay on the power and everything is fine.

It's really just multiple shifts at once where the slow speed is noticeable. It's noticeable both for upshifting and downshifting, but I find it to be more problematic for upshifting. On a regular drivetrain, I can upshift 3 gears in one pedal stroke (with maybe some minor clunking). With the transmission, I need 2 or 3 pedal strokes to do that same shift. It's smooth, but slow. I used pedaling into a jump as the example, but it's also annoying on techy trails where getting in pedal strokes can be hard (but you still want to be in the right gear so you can throw half a pedal stroke out of a corner or whatever).

It's kind of the opposite of the pinion. With the pinion, I struggled a lot with the inability to shift under load. So I'd go into a climb with the expectation of being able to click down a gear at a time as I ran out of momentum or the climb got steeper, but that's tricky with the pinion because the pedals are loaded and it doesn't want to shift. But on the descents, if I need to upshift a few gears for a jump that's coming, I can just do it in the corner before when I'm not pedaling.



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[toast2266]

^thats interesting. Didn't realize the tranny did that. One good thing about axs (non tranny) is being able to speed shift thru the gears. I forget their term for it, but it does fly (sometimes too many or too fast until you get used to it) thru the cassette.

Yeah, AXS is much faster than tranny. I didn't notice any issues at all with the speed of shifts with AXS. I did notice the weak clutch on the derailleur though. Dropped more chains with AXS than I have with any other drivetrain since the invention of the clutched derailleur.

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[gretch6364]

Yeah, AXS is much faster than tranny. I didn't notice any issues at all with the speed of shifts with AXS. I did notice the weak clutch on the derailleur though. Dropped more chains with AXS than I have with any other drivetrain since the invention of the clutched derailleur.

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And if your not getting the benefit of shifting under load and late shifts during climbs....it just doesn't seem like the benefit is there. I stayed with non-AXS stuff until t-type came out because I just couldn't see the benefit.

Kind of like live valve IMHO. The last generation just wasn't there yet unless you were a racer.

[jono]

For single shifts (i.e. 2nd to 1st) it's maybe *slightly* slower than other drivetrains, but like gretch said, it shifts really well under load so it kinda doesn't matter. If the shift isn't 100% completed when you hit the steep little punch that you're shifting for, you just kinda stay on the power and everything is fine.

It's really just multiple shifts at once where the slow speed is noticeable. It's noticeable both for upshifting and downshifting, but I find it to be more problematic for upshifting. On a regular drivetrain, I can upshift 3 gears in one pedal stroke (with maybe some minor clunking). With the transmission, I need 2 or 3 pedal strokes to do that same shift. It's smooth, but slow. I used pedaling into a jump as the example, but it's also annoying on techy trails where getting in pedal strokes can be hard (but you still want to be in the right gear so you can throw half a pedal stroke out of a corner or whatever).

It's kind of the opposite of the pinion. With the pinion, I struggled a lot with the inability to shift under load. So I'd go into a climb with the expectation of being able to click down a gear at a time as I ran out of momentum or the climb got steeper, but that's tricky with the pinion because the pedals are loaded and it doesn't want to shift. But on the descents, if I need to upshift a few gears for a jump that's coming, I can just do it in the corner before when I'm not pedaling.

2 or 3 revolutions seems crazy.

I guess on the Pinion the irritating cases stand out and I forget about the shifts that just work. Like pedals stopped. And on the up I just mash one stroke and shift when the pedal hits bottom dead center. That works fine for downshifting any number of gears because the pawls for the intermediate ones generally don't catch, so you just need a quick lightening of the load to get out of the gear you were in.

But on descents I might coast through something or for whatever reason lose track of what gear I'm in, and then if I need to cross the dreaded 4/5 or 8/9 upshifts (almost guaranteed if I need too many) it can be a pain when there's only time for 2 or 3 revolutions. (I'm still working on it.)

The Pinion has kind of a wicked learning environment, too: since you can shift up under full load on most of the gears, having the 4/5 and 8/9 hang up under load like the downshifts (slightly worse, I think, but it's close) can turn those shifts into surprises unless you treat upshifts the same as downshifts (or really keep track of what gear you're in). It'd be easier to live with if it was a 6x2 instead of a 4x3, but that's one gearset heavier, too.

[Eluder]

Unsure if it’s real, but I swear the latest firmware update on t-type made the shifting more responsive.

Toast have you tried setting it so it shifts 3 gears at once when you hold the button down? I only have this to go easier, but you can set up for both in the app settings.

I do miss the tactile feel at the end of the cassette now that you mention it.

Firmware and apps for your shifter….

[singlesline]

Just need to add a haptic buzz at either end of the cassette.

Tune it right and it should feel real and be noticeable while riding.

Then they can release another shifter pod and up the price $20 for force feedback

[toast2266]

Toast have you tried setting it so it shifts 3 gears at once when you hold the button down? I only have this to go easier, but you can set up for both in the app settings.

I don't think that would change anything though? The issue isn't how fast the shifter can tell the derailleur to shift, the issue is how fast the derailleur will actually do those shifts.

I don't mind tapping the shifter 3 times. That's the same as any sram mechanical shifter.

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[Andeh]

I got a baby slug somehow wedged in my chainguide today. The little fucker basically got pureed covering the chainguide, the frame behind the chainring, parts of the chainring, my right shoe, and part of the rear triangle. I had to actually wash my bike with soap to get that shit off.

[Yukonrider]

I thought I was a good rider, and went up to ride Sea to Sky area recently, and now my ego hurts. /rant

[t.odd]

I thought I was a good rider, and went up to ride Sea to Sky area recently, and now my ego hurts. /rant

sorry, eh

[LeeLau]

sorry, eh

Some friends of mine from WA state explained to me what they meant by "Canadian Blue" or "Canadian Black".

[nickwm21]

…and a WA blue or WA black is already above calibration


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[Andeh]

Seriously, a non-trivial reason why I haven't gotten my shit together and made the pilgrimage up north to ride is I don't think my fragile ego can take it.

[climberevan]

I have definitely noticed the need to adjust when riding in the PNW. "Black" trails in CO, NV, UT, etc don't have 18" drops in the middle of nose-pivot tight switchbacks that require one to land on a catch berm.

But the traction is so incredible that I pretty quickly learn that the impossible is possible and have tons on fun!