Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[fastfred]

fuck e bikers
every trail in scummit is posted no e biking
but these boomer and tubby out of shape "bike riders" seem to think that it doesn't apply to them cause they are special and have special needs like not being in shape
next time I see some lazy moped rider get to the top of a climb barely breathing not sweating and smiling like the turd they are I'm going to punch them in the face

[beaterdit]

Quality rant! I’m inclined to agree.

[Canada1]

My kid says people keep coming into the store and ranting at them that they sell them. I find that funny. 9/10 of them that I see are Rad Bikes. Not the expensive bike shop brands. The sirron scene is getting huge with the high school boys, which has also led to pit bikes. I haven’t seen so many little motorbikes around since the lawn mower engine days. Pretty soon someone connected will get hit and the the sheriffs department will have a nightmare trying to clean up what they have ignored.

[plugboots]

fuck e bikers
every trail in scummit is posted no e biking
but these boomer and tubby out of shape "bike riders" seem to think that it doesn't apply to them cause they are special and have special needs like not being in shape
next time I see some lazy moped rider get to the top of a climb barely breathing not sweating and smiling like the turd they are I'm going to punch them in the face

Yeah, I guess I’m at this stage now. When I ride the trails east of Seattle or around Winthrop, I have not seen one E biker that actually looks like a cyclist. Women in dresses, helmets on the back of the head, (if any helmet at all), etc. The thing that bugs me, the most is lack of self-awareness.

[HankScorpio]

fuck e bikers
every trail in scummit is posted no e biking
but these boomer and tubby out of shape "bike riders" seem to think that it doesn't apply to them cause they are special and have special needs like not being in shape
next time I see some lazy moped rider get to the top of a climb barely breathing not sweating and smiling like the turd they are I'm going to punch them in the face

They're also all wearing boat shoes, khaki shorts and no helmet while doing all this.

I got passed by a couple of these dinks while grinding up a hill last month.

[toast2266]

Yeah, I guess I’m at this stage now. When I ride the trails east of Seattle or around Winthrop, I have not seen one E biker that actually looks like a cyclist. Women in dresses, helmets on the back of the head, (if any helmet at all), etc. The thing that bugs me, the most is lack of self-awareness.

Everyone says that Europe is way ahead of North America in terms of ebike use and sales. But when I was in France a month ago it was basically what you're describing. Legions of ebikers, but 90% of them were on rental bikes with head to toe rental body armor and matching rental jerseys. They were mostly on dirt roads and paved bike paths. We barely saw any ebikers on actual trails.

Almost all of the people that appeared to have any clue as to what they were doing were on regular bikes.

[Wes Mantooth]

You can legally ride ebikes on any trails if you're on vacation and own a condo at the nearest resort. Everyone knows that

[XXX-er]

E-bikes ever where up here, welcome to Canada eh

i think the problem is not the E-bikes

The problem is the Americans on the E-bikes

[Jax]

me: "E-bikes are not allowed on this trail"

E-bikers: "we live here!"

[toast2266]

E-bikes ever where up here, welcome to Canada eh

i think the problem is not the E-bikes

The problem is the Americans on the E-bikes

Spent last weekend in fernie, and the weekend before that in nelson. *Lots* of mountain bikers. Don't think I saw a single ebike.

Maybe fernie and nelson just aren't old and crippled enough for them yet.

Edit: correction. There was 1 in nelson.

[climberevan]

I would just like to point out that I predicted the moped apocalypse and the ensuing backlash long ago.

Fuck those who poach non-motorized trails on anything with a motor.

[Benneke10]

fuck e bikers
every trail in scummit is posted no e biking
but these boomer and tubby out of shape "bike riders" seem to think that it doesn't apply to them cause they are special and have special needs like not being in shape
next time I see some lazy moped rider get to the top of a climb barely breathing not sweating and smiling like the turd they are I'm going to punch them in the face

In Park City and Summit County UT ebikes are banned, but there are exceptions for people over 65 and with disabilities, seems like most people I see breaking the rule are tourists (or just beaters who look like tourists) and wives out with their husbands/families. Once you cross into Salt Lake County onto the Forest Service land there is more ebike poaching, since the rules are ambiguous and generally not posted.

[XXX-er]

Spent last weekend in fernie, and the weekend before that in nelson. *Lots* of mountain bikers. Don't think I saw a single ebike.

Maybe fernie and nelson just aren't old and crippled enough for them yet.

Edit: correction. There was 1 in nelson.

well thank you for sharing your feelings but wouldn't that basicly shoot down your entire post ?
i think there aren't many in fernie & nelson just cuz they can't afford them

I seen E-bikes in Kamloops, also Valemont, in PG I think some places in whistler, they tell me half the bikes on the north shore are E-bikes, if you go on line various mtb associations will specfiy class 1 or maybe nothing at all, lots of E-bikes up here

[fastfred]

me: "E-bikes are not allowed on this trail"

E-bikers: "we live here!"

guess thats what I'm wondering???
do you say something or not
at the top of the trail yesterday i almost said something to this guy
but when I chose to be a dick I go all dick on them and it's not pretty

Everyone says that Europe is way ahead of North America in terms of ebike use and sales. But when I was in France a month ago it was basically what you're describing. Legions of ebikers, but 90% of them were on rental bikes with head to toe rental body armor and matching rental jerseys. They were mostly on dirt roads and paved bike paths. We barely saw any ebikers on actual trails.

Almost all of the people that appeared to have any clue as to what they were doing were on regular bikes.

one of my "followers" on strava is european he can't get over the idea that we have banned ebikes on trails here in america he thinks its strange (he isn't an ebiker at all but has demo'd some)

[toast2266]

i think there aren't many in fernie & nelson just cuz they can't afford them

Fernie's basically just a suburb of Calgary these days. That oil money can definitely afford all the mopeds they want.

I'm sure there are plenty of places where ebikes are super common. But 5 years ago, everyone was saying that ebikes were going to take over the world and you weren't gonna see any regular bikes on the trails ever again. And I'm saying that I think the e-pocalypse was a bit overstated.

[XXX-er]

I had never heard that one ^^ but the Koots always had lots of cash from drug money which is not there post legalization ,

people are getting old and so they will age out or more likely get an E-bike

You can be a 2K$ Radpower-from-Amazon rider on the local roads/ around town/ around the golf course or on flat trails but not on the SMBA trail system

cuz it s just too hard, you need a real skils and a real mtn bike ... with or without a motor

[skaredshtles]

me: "E-bikes are not allowed on this trail"

E-bikers: "we live here!"

How often do you get, "But our local open space parks allow them"?

[rideit]

So, my observation is that basically anyone under 40 or 45 doesn’t give a fuck, and don’t see the point in being an asshole about it. ‘Run what ya brung’.
But anyone over 45 who lived during the Great MTB Access Wars in the ‘90’s and 00’s still care. A lot.
But then anyone over 60 that still wants to get after it are (generally) all for it again.
There are obviously outliers in each category, but this is what I am observing.
The rule going forward among the ‘cyclists’ is ‘don’t be a dick’.

[AK47bp]

Just started mountain biking in my early 40’s. I didn’t even think twice about e-bikes until I started reading sprockets rockets on TGR.

Now I’m all “Get off my trails ya bastards!”




“If you have hate in your heart, let it out”

-Clayton Bigsby

[rideit]

‘Anomaly’

However, the type of people who are drawn to a rant thread on an obscure forum are the type of people to have strong feelings about it.

[Jax]

Aaaaand Moots just launched a carbon gravel E-bike, 10K entry price-point, made in Chiwan. Yeah, it's the good factory, but still...it's not a Moots.

Given that the fastest growing demographic in Routt County the past few years has been wealthy retirees, this makes perfect sense. Nothing screams you're a local up this way more than riding a Moots. And I'm certain in 15-20 more years, Dog willing, I'll be looking at buying an e-bike myself; imagine what they will be like then!

And truly, I get it. But, I think they should have marketed it under a different brand. IMHO it's like they just set fire to their legacy/heritage. Talk about brand dilution in the blink of an eye. Oy.

Comments on the socials are juicy, will save them up to read during dinner tonight, lol.

I've been saving up for a Bingham for my forever bike. I'm betting Brad's lead time will grow exponentially from purists dropping Moots altogether- it's already at several months. Perfect timing as he just expanded into a new, larger space and I hear there may be a ti welder or two looking for a job.

Oh silly bike industry....

[fastfred]

So what you saying is all the newly minted retiree wfh and assorted new wave mountain trash w money all buy there local cred by using certain brands

Make a mellazana on that list

And fuck mtn towns fuck all these people who got here after me there posturing and posing

[rideit]

If I lived there and rode a Moots, I would FOR SURE remove the moots decals, and replace them with Huffy decals.
Nice ones, though, I’m not a philistine.

[skaredshtles]

Moots kind of fell off the radar, as far as I could tell, around 2000. The move to full suspension seemed to be their death-knell, at least on the mt bike side. Never knew anything about their road presence...

[Foggy_Goggles]

Solid moped rant ya'll. I haven't seen anyone on my last 2 rides, but I'm sure it's coming. #keep grand county lame

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