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  1. #5601
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    Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

    Hey Fred, I was Backcountry skiing more than 30 years ago and sometimes itís really crowded (not really really), and all I have to do is ski right next to the line somebody else took and itís just as good powder.
    Somehow, the riding right next to the trail with my mountain bike isnít as good
    Well maybe I'm the faggot America
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    Quote Originally Posted by plugboots View Post
    Hey Fred, I was Backcountry skiing more than 30 years ago and sometimes itís really crowded (not really really), and all I have to do is ski right next to the line somebody else took and itís just as good powder.
    Somehow, the riding right next to the trail with my mountain bike isnít as good
    This is why I've been pushing our local club to build more double track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canada1 View Post
    When was the last time a bike brand was improved by an infusion of venture capital money? Fisher became Gary Fisher and died. I have a DiamondBack overdrive carbon comp I would love to replace with a similar bike that made you feel you got a high value xc bike, but they donít make it. I could go through a history of defeats. Where is there a victory?
    "Moots" coming to bikes direct in 3...2...1...
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  4. #5604
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    This is why I've been pushing our local club to build more double track.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    This is why I've been pushing our local club to build more double track.
    That's funny!

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  6. #5606
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    Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

    Thanks toast, I was hoping.
    Thereís really nothing analogous to the e-bike ďdilemmaĒ right now. For example, with Backcountry skiing one of my local spots might get a little crowded, so I just moved further out. I climb a little further. Itís the exact opposite with ebikes. Like in golf, who cares if people ride in carts? It doesnít really hurt the course any. Has Pickleball ruined tennis? Iím not sure.
    Well maybe I'm the faggot America
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Edit: do they have e fat/snowbikes yet? If so, this is gonna get juicy!
    They do, and jerks like me that want it all are having a hard time resisting the temptation when the city/county/state really wants to subsidize our electric snowmobiles. Gothic is really the only juicy non-motorized winter corridor in this valley and it's groomed for fat bikes. Realistically its juicer as a spring access route. Not sure if it'll get interesting or if fat biking just sucks enough to keep itself under control, even with motors added on.

  8. #5608
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    Tipperary loop in Fraser - what a disappointment. Rode a bunch of dirt road to get to the climb, the climb was OK, but the descent was terrible (Spruce Creek).

    Perhaps it used to be better? I know it was always considered a "classic" WP/Grand County ride, but that must have been back when there basically was nothing else to ride.

    It was still a nice day riding around on dirt in the woods with my wife.

  9. #5609
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    Ha...something like that. It's was fun in the 90s. When bikes were less capable and the downhill was singletrack, it was a better trail.

    Remember. This is the Fraser River Valley. There is no classic anything besides perhaps moguls.

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  10. #5610
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foggy_Goggles View Post
    Ha...something like that. It's was fun in the 90s. When bikes were less capable and the downhill was singletrack, it was a better trail.

    Remember. This is the Fraser River Valley. There is no classic anything besides perhaps moguls.
    I've only ridden in the valley about 4 times in the last 30.

  11. #5611
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    Iíve been thrilled and disappointed massively on trails that are considered classics.

    The Luge in Orange County on the other hand was great.

    Rode American Standard a few years back in Jim Thorpe, PA and found it a gigantic waste of time. Not fun, not flowy, not good in a hard technical ride way either. Imagine it would have been even worse on older bike tech in all the worst ways.


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  12. #5612
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTskibum View Post
    I’ve been thrilled and disappointed massively on trails that are considered classics.
    Kind of how I felt about Monarch Crest.
    Long? Yes
    Great Views? Yes
    Great riding? Meh. The last downhill section was pretty fun purely because of the erosion. The rest was very average, non-descript riding.
    Starvation Creek out was the best part of the ride.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

  13. #5613
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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    I sort of agree, but adding a motor to a bike doesn't make you good at bike handling. That part's still hard. Arguably even harder, because now your bike's super heavy.
    That is a problem in itself, since the motor allows people to access trails they would never put in the effort to get to on their own. A tough climb has often been used as a filter to keep less experienced riders away from difficult trails. With ebikes that filter no longer works.

    My more difficult trail sees limited traffic since it's a PITA to get to, which is 100% by design. A few times this year while digging up there I've had groups of mopeds coming down who were clearly in over their heads. Maybe 1 or 2 could ride the features. The others, rather than walk, rode off trail around them. Right in front of the builder. And were promptly told not to come back. No way those clowns would have made it up there without the motor. Now I'm stuck spending time blocking cheater lines rather than improving the trail.

    That brings me to the other point, why I really dislike them. I ride bikes to get away from people, from idiots, from blown out sanitized trails. So I head to the harder to get to more pristine trails that most people won't put in the effort to get to. Now with mopeds more people can get to those trails with minimal effort and they're getting trashed just like the easy to access front country trails. No different than other issues like the "10 best secret hikes" influencer articles, side by sides or posting locations. Whenever something becomes too easy to get to it inevitably gets ruined.


    Those of you who don't have issues with surrons yet be greatful. We have those here in socal in growing numbers. Just like any motorized hobby they are modifying the shit out of those bikes with upgraded motors, motocross tires, etc. then tearing up the local city trails. When you see the damage those things cause it makes you forget how annoyed you are at pedal assist.

  14. #5614
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxtar View Post
    Kind of how I felt about Monarch Crest.
    Long? Yes
    Great Views? Yes
    Great riding? Meh. The last downhill section was pretty fun purely because of the erosion. The rest was very average, non-descript riding.
    Starvation Creek out was the best part of the ride.
    Yep - Monarch Crest is just a means to get to the Children of the Crest. Of which Green's is the best, with Starvation a pretty close second in my book.

    Try the quadfecta some time.

  15. #5615
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    quadfecta
    ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

  16. #5616
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxtar View Post
    ?
    Green's, Fooses, Agate, and Starvation in a day.

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    We only skipped Agate because we wanted our feet to stay dry, bro
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  18. #5618
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    We only skipped Agate because we wanted our feet to stay dry, bro
    If I did it again I'd skip Agate and do Green's twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evdog View Post
    That is a problem in itself, since the motor allows people to access trails they would never put in the effort to get to on their own. A tough climb has often been used as a filter to keep less experienced riders away from difficult trails. With ebikes that filter no longer works.

    My more difficult trail sees limited traffic since it's a PITA to get to, which is 100% by design. A few times this year while digging up there I've had groups of mopeds coming down who were clearly in over their heads. Maybe 1 or 2 could ride the features. The others, rather than walk, rode off trail around them. Right in front of the builder. And were promptly told not to come back. No way those clowns would have made it up there without the motor. Now I'm stuck spending time blocking cheater lines rather than improving the trail.

    That brings me to the other point, why I really dislike them. I ride bikes to get away from people, from idiots, from blown out sanitized trails. So I head to the harder to get to more pristine trails that most people won't put in the effort to get to. Now with mopeds more people can get to those trails with minimal effort and they're getting trashed just like the easy to access front country trails. No different than other issues like the "10 best secret hikes" influencer articles, side by sides or posting locations. Whenever something becomes too easy to get to it inevitably gets ruined.


    Those of you who don't have issues with surrons yet be greatful. We have those here in socal in growing numbers. Just like any motorized hobby they are modifying the shit out of those bikes with upgraded motors, motocross tires, etc. then tearing up the local city trails. When you see the damage those things cause it makes you forget how annoyed you are at pedal assist.
    word.

  20. #5620
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    I only do agate because it saves me another hour in the truck. If coming from the east I'd probably skip it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowaddict91 View Post
    I only do agate because it saves me another hour in the truck. If coming from the east I'd probably skip it.
    If I ever do it again, I'm going to hike-a-bike to the mid-pass Agate trailhead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    If I ever do it again, I'm going to hike-a-bike to the mid-pass Agate trailhead...
    This is the way.

  23. #5623
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Green's, Fooses, Agate, and Starvation in a day.
    Looking at Trailforks.
    They are all spurs off MC, how do you do them together?
    Out and backs?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

  24. #5624
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxtar View Post
    Looking at Trailforks.
    They are all spurs off MC, how do you do them together?
    Out and backs?
    Shuttles, man... shuttles.

  25. #5625
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Shuttles, man... shuttles.
    Sorry but still not seeing it.
    What? four, five shuttles?
    Shuttle to MC, ride MC to Fooses and down Fooses to next shuttle. Then what? Back to MC? Repeat with Greens, then Agate?
    And another one from Starvation to gather up the vehicles afterward?
    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Malcolm View Post
    I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
    But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

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