Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

**toast2266** · 12-07-2020, 06:33 PM

I mean, fuck giant. But on the list of large corporations that abused the PPP program, they're pretty far down the list of most angst-worthy. I can only sustain so much anger, y'know?

**One (+) Sentence** · 12-07-2020, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by toast2266

I mean, fuck giant. But on the list of large corporations that abused the PPP program, they're pretty far down the list of most angst-worthy. I can only sustain so much anger, y'know?

Sure, but I thought the ranting in this thread was supposed to be bicycle related?

**toast2266** · 12-07-2020, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence

Sure, but I thought the ranting in this thread was supposed to be bicycle related?

True, but per the article, they're not even the biggest bike related recipient.

**One (+) Sentence** · 12-07-2020, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by toast2266

True, but per the article, they're not even the biggest bike related recipient.

Giant was the second largest recipient, and I’ve got a soft spot for Saris. They’re an American company that makes all of their products, pays good wages, and sources all of their raw materials from within a 100 mile radius of Madison, Wi.

I think all bicycle industry businesses that were granted PPP loans should pay them back.

**jm2e** · 12-07-2020, 08:14 PM

Do they source all their sun rotted plastic locally?

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**One (+) Sentence** · 12-07-2020, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by jm2e

Do they source all their sun rotted plastic locally?

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I’m still waiting for you to tell us who this big-time rider named “Sammy” is that Trek lost a few seasons ago.

Ive never ridden Snowshoe so I’m not on a first name basis with all the World Cup racers.

**toast2266** · 12-07-2020, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence

I think all bicycle industry businesses that were granted PPP loans should pay them back.

Agreed

**rideit** · 12-07-2020, 08:57 PM

No, they should have to independently donate all of it to local trail groups that aren’t imba.

**HAB** · 12-07-2020, 10:09 PM

I don't know what percentage of Saris' business is their consumer racks vs. the bike infrastructure side of things (bike parking for buildings, racks for mass transit, etc.) but I do know that, while things are booming on the former (in general, not specific to Saris) the latter very much is not. Saris' business covers both. Make of that what you will.

**mtnjam** · 12-08-2020, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by One (+) Sentence

Giant was the second largest recipient, and I’ve got a soft spot for Saris. They’re an American company that makes all of their products, pays good wages, and sources all of their raw materials from within a 100 mile radius of Madison, Wi.

I think all bicycle industry businesses that were granted PPP loans should pay them back.

So they get their iron ore and have a foundry contracted to make their alloys of steel from within 100 miles of Madison? Hmm, I thought the iron range was a little further from Madison than 100 miles. All fine and dandy, but I highly doubt that Giant gets all their raw materials from within 100 miles of Madison. They might source it from other manufacturers, but their raw materials?

**mtnjam** · 12-08-2020, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by rideit

No, they should have to independently donate all of it to local trail groups that aren’t imba.

+2 to this. Leave any group ending with "IMBA" out of those donations.

**One (+) Sentence** · 12-08-2020, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by mtnjam

So they get their iron ore and have a foundry contracted to make their alloys of steel from within 100 miles of Madison? Hmm, I thought the iron range was a little further from Madison than 100 miles. All fine and dandy, but I highly doubt that Giant gets all their raw materials from within 100 miles of Madison. They might source it from other manufacturers, but their raw materials?

Giant owns the foundries and fabricates their own aluminum tubing. Deep in the heart of China, I assume. A long long train ride from Lefty’s.

As for Saris, yes, they try to source all materials within a 100 mile radius of Madison. Google “foundries in Wisconsin.” There’s a large one in Madison in fact. https://www.saris.com/about/made-in-usa

Tell Tim Carter I said hi. Hope to come up for visit sometime soon.

**evdog** · 12-26-2020, 11:53 PM

Cairns. Why do people build them at obvious turnoffs?

**jm2e** · 12-27-2020, 08:47 AM

Maybe someone took a shit there. Easier to cover than to bury.

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**frorider** · 12-27-2020, 08:58 AM

Ding ding ding

**evdog** · 12-27-2020, 12:33 PM

There was a pile of rocks at almost every road/trail intersection yesterday. That's a lot of shits.

**MagnificentUnicorn** · 12-27-2020, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by evdog

Cairns. Why do people build them at obvious turnoffs?

Because people are idiots and can’t navigate for themselves even on easily navigable trails.

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**Bunion 2020** · 12-27-2020, 01:02 PM

That is a cairn? looks like a pile of rocks.

**toast2266** · 12-27-2020, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by evdog

Cairns. Why do people build them at obvious turnoffs?

Maybe the turnoff wasn't obvious before there was a cairn there.

**skaredshtles** · 12-27-2020, 04:31 PM

I suspect some delicate flowers got tired of the loose babyheads at the intersection and just removed them from the trail to a pile...

**evdog** · 12-27-2020, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by toast2266

Maybe the turnoff wasn't obvious before there was a cairn there.

I guess maybe it wouldn't have been so obvious if you have your head up your ass. But the rest of us have no excuse. Trail crosses fire road here, picks up no more than 20ft away.

**rideit** · 12-27-2020, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by skaredshtles

I suspect some delicate flowers got tired of the loose babyheads at the intersection and just removed them from the trail to a pile...

That was my guess.

**jm2e** · 12-28-2020, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by evdog

I guess maybe it wouldn't have been so obvious if you have your head up your ass. But the rest of us have no excuse. Trail crosses fire road here, picks up no more than 20ft away.

So you’re saying the trail doesn’t go straight across the road? Instead, it does a bit of a jig before dropping off the road again?
I hate when I’m on a perfectly fun flowy trail and then have to stop for a second to figure out where the fucking trail goes! I support cairns if they help me keep moving.

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**Conundrum** · 12-28-2020, 01:28 PM

That looks like a pile of rocks that would make people think twice about blowing the corner and widening it. I'm guilty of placing rocks or rock piles on some the poorly built trails to keep them from widening where people go in to hot, cut corners etc. I never take rocks from a trail though, always from out in the weeds. We have plenty of people sanitizing without my help.