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  1. #2101
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    Wait, so shitty pedals for good weed?

    Never had chesters, I've ridden some shitty flats but ive always had flats since bmx days. Digging my deity's and 5.10s.

  2. #2102
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    Quote Originally Posted by beaterdit View Post
    Well that's disappointing. Got four or five of them in the quiver right now. Haven't been riding enough dirt to really see how they hold yet. Guess I'll just burn through them and replace as needed.
    Maybe I just drew a bad hand. But when I mentioned it on other social media, some friends replied with similar results and opinions.

    I had *just* picked up a pair of Kenda Pinners in the ATC casing from the local shop. Now Iím kinda kicking myself for not ordering the AGC casing. Guess Iíll see how they work out.

  3. #2103
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    There used to be this fun little set of 3 log steps in a row on a short connector trail behind my house. Last summer the county prescribed some forest thinning, and two of the logs were ripped out in the process, but the section of trail was rebuilt and the best step was still intact.

    Fast forward to last week, I take my 10 year old daughter out for a ride. She's cruising along in front, and disappears around the corner right before the log step. Suddenly I hear this shockingly guttural roar, but just assumed she had whacked her shin with a pedal again. Instead, I round the corner to find her straddling her bike, right where the log USED to be.

    So, kudos to the fuckwipe that took out an "obstacle" that a 10 year old girl (who is small for her age) enjoyed.

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  4. #2104
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifelinksplit View Post
    Wait, so shitty pedals for good weed?

    Never had chesters, I've ridden some shitty flats but ive always had flats since bmx days. Digging my deity's and 5.10s.
    I thought it sounded pretty good Lookin' out for #1 ya know.

  5. #2105
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    done with mtb until the high alpine opens here.

    big roving mo clans are clogging everything. not that i starva but they need a viral load metric. shits crazy out there, havenít touched the full sus in a week. SAD.

    oh and exo from 5 years ago is exo+ now. recently put an old 27 dhf 2.5 exo on the front of my wifeís bike and itís the same or burlier than the DHR exo+ on the front of mine.
    now a complete tool

  6. #2106
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    Quote Originally Posted by westoxified View Post
    done with mtb until the high alpine opens here.

    big roving mo clans are clogging everything. not that i starva but they need a viral load metric. shits crazy out there, havenít touched the full sus in a week. SAD.

    No joke. So thankful I can ride weekday mornings. The trailheads and easily accessible stuff down here has been crazy.

  7. #2107
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    Quote Originally Posted by westoxified View Post
    done with mtb until the high alpine opens here.

    big roving mo clans are clogging everything. not that i starva but they need a viral load metric. shits crazy out there, haven’t touched the full sus in a week. SAD.

    oh and exo from 5 years ago is exo+ now. recently put an old 27 dhf 2.5 exo on the front of my wife’s bike and it’s the same or burlier than the DHR exo+ on the front of mine.
    Out of curiosity, how's the riding to the east of Ogden in the mountains towards Morgan? I've driven through there a bunch lately (back and forth between CO and Sun Valley), and it looks like some great terrain. Beautiful area too.

  8. #2108
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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Out of curiosity, how's the riding to the east of Ogden in the mountains towards Morgan? I've driven through there a bunch lately (back and forth between CO and Sun Valley), and it looks like some great terrain. Beautiful area too.
    the riding here is actually pretty terrible. it takes a lot of work to go fast and there really isn't anything steep that's 'sanctioned'. i am not downplaying to protect traffic as the general pop loves it. some new trails being built over on the east slope of Ben Lomond that are more conducive to NICA style seated mountain biking. Snowbasin has contributed zero effort to making things better and don't have any trail work planned for the summer.
    now a complete tool

  9. #2109
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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Out of curiosity, how's the riding to the east of Ogden in the mountains towards Morgan? I've driven through there a bunch lately (back and forth between CO and Sun Valley), and it looks like some great terrain. Beautiful area too.
    You should check out the River Raft Mountains on the next trip and report back. Might be all ATV trails, but I'm curious...

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  10. #2110
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    Local trail agencies sitting on their hands while they have all sorts of resources out there to fix trails and keep them maintained for an increasing number of trail users.

    It seems to me like the two trail management agencies in Boise have a tough time working together. (i.e. a trail machine that just sits in a shed an only occasionally gets used for minor projects, SWIMBA). Minimal trail volunteer work days, usually scheduled on a weekday in the middle of the day. Not open to have volunteers get trained for trail maintenance on their own recognizance, etc. Poor sight lines that would only take a minor amount of brush cutting/weed wacking to take care of and giant ruts that could easily be fixed by a handful of trail volunteers grabbing a McCleod or Pulaski stashed away at some predetermined location. I see other areas putting all sorts of effort into trail maintenance days and new trail builds, WTF, Ridge to Rivers and SWIMBA?

    Maybe it's just me, but it seems particularly bad this year.

  11. #2111
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnjam View Post
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    Maybe it's just me, but it seems particularly bad this year.
    Heh.

    If only there were something this year that might account for things being different...

    Nope.

    Can't think of anything.


  12. #2112
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Heh.

    If only there were something this year that might account for things being different...

    Nope.

    Can't think of anything.

    It's not like those trail agencies need to be worried about social distancing while working and or maintaining single track or fixing ruts

  13. #2113
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    Quote Originally Posted by westoxified View Post
    the riding here is actually pretty terrible. it takes a lot of work to go fast and there really isn't anything steep that's 'sanctioned'. i am not downplaying to protect traffic as the general pop loves it. some new trails being built over on the east slope of Ben Lomond that are more conducive to NICA style seated mountain biking. Snowbasin has contributed zero effort to making things better and don't have any trail work planned for the summer.
    You don't like Trail 365, bro? Sacrilege.

    It seems there is zero appetite to build anything that may appeal to anyone that has ridden more than a few years. And even worse than that is the trend to 'fix' long standing trails and turn them into smooth, gradeless trails and replace what used to be decent old school style trails.

  14. #2114
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    The local group here is busy miniexing new sidewalk trails and as they have for the last ten years ignoring the issue of sight lines growing in and fixing perennial mud holes ect. Plenty of time for new berms machine dug on old trails where they aren't really needed as well.
    Always looking for help clipping roots or smashing rocks on new trail days.
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  15. #2115
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    You don't like Trail 365, bro? Sacrilege.

    It seems there is zero appetite to build anything that may appeal to anyone that has ridden more than a few years. And even worse than that is the trend to 'fix' long standing trails and turn them into smooth, gradeless trails and replace what used to be decent old school style trails.
    Ahhh... the old sanitation lamentation. It's a sad tale...

  16. #2116
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnjam View Post
    It's not like those trail agencies need to be worried about social distancing while working and or maintaining single track or fixing ruts
    Yeah! It's probably not affecting them at all!

    GET TO WORK, SLACKERS!!


  17. #2117
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnjam View Post
    Local trail agencies sitting on their hands while they have all sorts of resources out there to fix trails and keep them maintained for an increasing number of trail users.

    It seems to me like the two trail management agencies in Boise have a tough time working together. (i.e. a trail machine that just sits in a shed an only occasionally gets used for minor projects, SWIMBA). Minimal trail volunteer work days, usually scheduled on a weekday in the middle of the day. Not open to have volunteers get trained for trail maintenance on their own recognizance, etc. Poor sight lines that would only take a minor amount of brush cutting/weed wacking to take care of and giant ruts that could easily be fixed by a handful of trail volunteers grabbing a McCleod or Pulaski stashed away at some predetermined location. I see other areas putting all sorts of effort into trail maintenance days and new trail builds, WTF, Ridge to Rivers and SWIMBA?

    Maybe it's just me, but it seems particularly bad this year.
    Sounds like one of our local state parks. We had a new trail build that was all approved on paper. Finally got the go ahead to build it. The state park had a sweco machine but it was "unavailable" and could only be operated by park staff, so we had to build the trail by hand. Hand building was brutal because the route was peppered with dwarf oak root balls that would take a couple hours each to excavate so you could access and cut the burly tap roots below. You could easily go around them but we weren't allowed to deviate from the flagged line, at all. In a 4 hr session you might be able to dig 2 of those root balls out, if things went well. So we spent 2 years working on this trail. Finally they got the machine in and it was able to pop those root balls out no problem. Things were looking good. In addition to the new trail, during a park master plan update we convinced State parks to move back some state wilderness boundaries that would eventually allow bikes onto some trails that would improve connectivity in the park. Fast forward a couple years and a new park superintendent arrived. He has now shut down all volunteer groups in the park. And not only have those trails never been opened to bikes, he has closed some trails to MTB. Thumbs down. Hopefully he is gone soon.

  18. #2118
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    Quote Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
    It seems there is zero appetite to build anything that may appeal to anyone that has ridden more than a few years. And even worse than that is the trend to 'fix' long standing trails and turn them into smooth, gradeless trails and replace what used to be decent old school style trails.
    At least the FS has, for now, failed to follow through on their plan to re-do Northern Skyline.

  19. #2119
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    Berms in the mountains. The sign of the True Douche Build. TBD also includes biceps

  20. #2120
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    Quote Originally Posted by tellybele View Post
    Berms in the mountains. The sign of the True Douche Build. TBD also includes biceps
    Why? Berms are a good way to make corners that are somewhat sustainable trail design. Motos make berms all the time on trails in the mountains. You must not live in the mountains.

  21. #2121
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnjam View Post
    Local trail agencies sitting on their hands while they have all sorts of resources out there to fix trails and keep them maintained for an increasing number of trail users.
    Trail agencies with plenty of resources isn't a situation I've seen in a long time.

    We do seem to be in the same boat of building flattish smooth trails while neglecting trail maintenance. At least Partly it's a matter of funding, grants available for shiny new but not for upkeep.

  22. #2122
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnjam View Post
    Why? Berms are a good way to make corners that are somewhat sustainable trail design. Motos make berms all the time on trails in the mountains. You must not live in the mountains.
    I do and I do Moto in the mountains as well. I haven't run into any berms in the ID/MT BC, thank frikkin dog! They collect water and increase the Reynolds number. Berms are for tracks, not singletrack. Tracks like moto, bmx, flow lines on ski hills for the kiddos and whatnot. Mountain biking is *still* different from track biking. Berms in the mountains are akin to chipping routes, IMHO. Berm away on the track in the park, just as you would place holds wherever you want them in the gym. The mountains are different.

  23. #2123
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    The dirt sidewalks donít last very long. Between the drought/crazy thunderstorm cycles and mud season, fresh dirt that isnít held in place doesnít stick around. It recedes and after a couple years you get down to the next layer of roots and rocks.
    Remind me. We'll send him a red cap and a Speedo.

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