Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[jono]

I put a lot of time on a Pinion C1.12 (an actual transmission ) and on that system the careful downshifting is kind of an irritating skill to have to acquire.

But with that done I notice that toast's situation is actually more critical: a C1.12 will upshift a gear or three at a full sprint, unless you need to cross 5th or 9th. Which can be pretty likely if you need to clear a jump that's preceded by a climb and a short descent. Or really any significant increase in downslope. Works great on trails that stay fast enough to live in 9-12, but I only have one of those closeby.

[XXX-er]

NX shifter for e-bike only allows me to shift 1 gear at a time

it requires anticipppp ation

SRAM protecting me from myself ,

[toast2266]

Thanks, that helps a lot. Does "essentially a non-issue" mean you don't notice the delay between 2nd and 1st, or just not very often? Never to the point of being a problem, I assume?

For single shifts (i.e. 2nd to 1st) it's maybe *slightly* slower than other drivetrains, but like gretch said, it shifts really well under load so it kinda doesn't matter. If the shift isn't 100% completed when you hit the steep little punch that you're shifting for, you just kinda stay on the power and everything is fine.

It's really just multiple shifts at once where the slow speed is noticeable. It's noticeable both for upshifting and downshifting, but I find it to be more problematic for upshifting. On a regular drivetrain, I can upshift 3 gears in one pedal stroke (with maybe some minor clunking). With the transmission, I need 2 or 3 pedal strokes to do that same shift. It's smooth, but slow. I used pedaling into a jump as the example, but it's also annoying on techy trails where getting in pedal strokes can be hard (but you still want to be in the right gear so you can throw half a pedal stroke out of a corner or whatever).

It's kind of the opposite of the pinion. With the pinion, I struggled a lot with the inability to shift under load. So I'd go into a climb with the expectation of being able to click down a gear at a time as I ran out of momentum or the climb got steeper, but that's tricky with the pinion because the pedals are loaded and it doesn't want to shift. But on the descents, if I need to upshift a few gears for a jump that's coming, I can just do it in the corner before when I'm not pedaling.



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[toast2266]

^thats interesting. Didn't realize the tranny did that. One good thing about axs (non tranny) is being able to speed shift thru the gears. I forget their term for it, but it does fly (sometimes too many or too fast until you get used to it) thru the cassette.

Yeah, AXS is much faster than tranny. I didn't notice any issues at all with the speed of shifts with AXS. I did notice the weak clutch on the derailleur though. Dropped more chains with AXS than I have with any other drivetrain since the invention of the clutched derailleur.

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[gretch6364]

Yeah, AXS is much faster than tranny. I didn't notice any issues at all with the speed of shifts with AXS. I did notice the weak clutch on the derailleur though. Dropped more chains with AXS than I have with any other drivetrain since the invention of the clutched derailleur.

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And if your not getting the benefit of shifting under load and late shifts during climbs....it just doesn't seem like the benefit is there. I stayed with non-AXS stuff until t-type came out because I just couldn't see the benefit.

Kind of like live valve IMHO. The last generation just wasn't there yet unless you were a racer.

[jono]

For single shifts (i.e. 2nd to 1st) it's maybe *slightly* slower than other drivetrains, but like gretch said, it shifts really well under load so it kinda doesn't matter. If the shift isn't 100% completed when you hit the steep little punch that you're shifting for, you just kinda stay on the power and everything is fine.

It's really just multiple shifts at once where the slow speed is noticeable. It's noticeable both for upshifting and downshifting, but I find it to be more problematic for upshifting. On a regular drivetrain, I can upshift 3 gears in one pedal stroke (with maybe some minor clunking). With the transmission, I need 2 or 3 pedal strokes to do that same shift. It's smooth, but slow. I used pedaling into a jump as the example, but it's also annoying on techy trails where getting in pedal strokes can be hard (but you still want to be in the right gear so you can throw half a pedal stroke out of a corner or whatever).

It's kind of the opposite of the pinion. With the pinion, I struggled a lot with the inability to shift under load. So I'd go into a climb with the expectation of being able to click down a gear at a time as I ran out of momentum or the climb got steeper, but that's tricky with the pinion because the pedals are loaded and it doesn't want to shift. But on the descents, if I need to upshift a few gears for a jump that's coming, I can just do it in the corner before when I'm not pedaling.

2 or 3 revolutions seems crazy.

I guess on the Pinion the irritating cases stand out and I forget about the shifts that just work. Like pedals stopped. And on the up I just mash one stroke and shift when the pedal hits bottom dead center. That works fine for downshifting any number of gears because the pawls for the intermediate ones generally don't catch, so you just need a quick lightening of the load to get out of the gear you were in.

But on descents I might coast through something or for whatever reason lose track of what gear I'm in, and then if I need to cross the dreaded 4/5 or 8/9 upshifts (almost guaranteed if I need too many) it can be a pain when there's only time for 2 or 3 revolutions. (I'm still working on it.)

The Pinion has kind of a wicked learning environment, too: since you can shift up under full load on most of the gears, having the 4/5 and 8/9 hang up under load like the downshifts (slightly worse, I think, but it's close) can turn those shifts into surprises unless you treat upshifts the same as downshifts (or really keep track of what gear you're in). It'd be easier to live with if it was a 6x2 instead of a 4x3, but that's one gearset heavier, too.

[Eluder]

Unsure if it’s real, but I swear the latest firmware update on t-type made the shifting more responsive.

Toast have you tried setting it so it shifts 3 gears at once when you hold the button down? I only have this to go easier, but you can set up for both in the app settings.

I do miss the tactile feel at the end of the cassette now that you mention it.

Firmware and apps for your shifter….

[singlesline]

Just need to add a haptic buzz at either end of the cassette.

Tune it right and it should feel real and be noticeable while riding.

Then they can release another shifter pod and up the price $20 for force feedback

[toast2266]

Toast have you tried setting it so it shifts 3 gears at once when you hold the button down? I only have this to go easier, but you can set up for both in the app settings.

I don't think that would change anything though? The issue isn't how fast the shifter can tell the derailleur to shift, the issue is how fast the derailleur will actually do those shifts.

I don't mind tapping the shifter 3 times. That's the same as any sram mechanical shifter.

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[Andeh]

I got a baby slug somehow wedged in my chainguide today. The little fucker basically got pureed covering the chainguide, the frame behind the chainring, parts of the chainring, my right shoe, and part of the rear triangle. I had to actually wash my bike with soap to get that shit off.

[Yukonrider]

I thought I was a good rider, and went up to ride Sea to Sky area recently, and now my ego hurts. /rant

[t.odd]

I thought I was a good rider, and went up to ride Sea to Sky area recently, and now my ego hurts. /rant

sorry, eh

[LeeLau]

sorry, eh

Some friends of mine from WA state explained to me what they meant by "Canadian Blue" or "Canadian Black".

[nickwm21]

…and a WA blue or WA black is already above calibration


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[Andeh]

Seriously, a non-trivial reason why I haven't gotten my shit together and made the pilgrimage up north to ride is I don't think my fragile ego can take it.

[climberevan]

I have definitely noticed the need to adjust when riding in the PNW. "Black" trails in CO, NV, UT, etc don't have 18" drops in the middle of nose-pivot tight switchbacks that require one to land on a catch berm.

But the traction is so incredible that I pretty quickly learn that the impossible is possible and have tons on fun!

[rideit]

[gavinski91]

Got a recall on my FSA crank, so I'm forced to take the bike in to my local shop and leave it with them for who knows how long. At least the guy working there said if it was gonna be a while he'd give me a call and I could come pick the bike up and ride it while waiting for the new crank.

But seriously, why can't I just take a picture of my crank showing the serial number that is subject to the recall, they send me a new crank, and I send the old one back in the same box? Shoot, even if they wanted to charge me for the new one and then refund the charge when they get the old one back that would be fine - the cellphone industry has had that model figured out for years for trade-ins. Instead I'm without my bike while everything gets sorted out.

[beaterdit]

Sucks but I'd just buy a new crankset. I don't hold their stuff in very high regard and there are a lot of tried and true options out there for every budget. Bet your shop would give you a bit of a deal under the circumstances.

[rideit]

Not a rant, but a quality Friday evening at home alone…

[Bunion 2020]

Got a recall on my FSA crank, so I'm forced to take the bike in to my local shop and leave it with them for who knows how long. At least the guy working there said if it was gonna be a while he'd give me a call and I could come pick the bike up and ride it while waiting for the new crank.

But seriously, why can't I just take a picture of my crank showing the serial number that is subject to the recall, they send me a new crank, and I send the old one back in the same box? Shoot, even if they wanted to charge me for the new one and then refund the charge when they get the old one back that would be fine - the cellphone industry has had that model figured out for years for trade-ins. Instead I'm without my bike while everything gets sorted out.

What type of crank? I have a NIB 2x 50/34 T 175 Shimano ultegra collecting dust.

[bamboocoreONLY]

I really like AXS and Transmission, but have XTR on both of my bikes now and am quite enjoying no longer having batteries to charge. Not against it at all, but dang it's been nice to not think about.

Mostly saying this as there's a new cable actuated Transmission coming in March, and I'm excited. Found out by means of my Rocky Mtn rep, the C50 builds of a few bikes of theirs next year are slated to have it so that's why the new element release didn't include c50 builds just yet. To that end, also no c90 build as it has an embargoed XTR groupset, didn't say it's electronic but I wouldn't also be surprised if that's coming. That should be debuted at sea otter.

[singlesline]

Trailforks has been acting up and throwing stuff like this all weekend


Stuff like this and the continued enshittification of the website are just telling me that the new management sucks and has no idea what their audience wants.

Like…your audience is mountain bikers. Your maintenance window shouldn’t be fall weekends. It should be done during the day on a Tuesday. Weekend maintenance windows are for normal companies where you don’t want to interfere with 9-5 employees…the PE investors running things can’t tell the difference.

I’m just trying to flag some downed trees!

[toast2266]

Trailforks had been going downhill for a while now. It's so cluttered with obscure features that the basic functionality of the app is suffering.

I'd like to say the onX / MTB project merger has produced a worthwhile alternative, but so far it's just not quite there.

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[XXX-er]

You really don't know who was doing what or where, just hope stuff works on monday AM