Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

[SJG]

I pedal strike a bunch of stuff on purpose just cuz it gives some other folks anxiety and anger issues.

[XXX-er]

dude. I have an ebike and you give ebikers a bad name. Just can you step back and accept some folks don’t like ebikes. It’s ok. What happens in Canada is not what happens in the States…So your hot takes are not really applicable.

well duh, no americans eh

[jono]

well fuck what was your first clue i was an ignorant e-bitch ?

i hit alot or rocks with the motor but these are not special rocks they are just rocks,

SO what qualifys for a senseless rock strike ?

you weren't there so it could have been anyone

it might have even been me on the off days i wasn't riding wait for it


your mom

It wasn't you. You've never been here. The trail is the rock, so it doesn't turn over or move. The evidence lasts. It's like when you climb into the back seat and try to lay trenches between jump turns on a pristine slope but every time the slope gets up to 25 degrees you go ass over tea kettle and dig a huge bomb hole, lose one ski, take off the other and use it for a shovel, double the size of the hole, and then do it all over again. On the gentlest slope you can find.

And then it freezes for a thousand years as a monument to your incompetence.

It's like that. But with a motor.

[XXX-er]

so is this bowling or skiing ?

say hi to your mom for me

[Roxtar]

The folks I see on e-bikes are just zooming by, not smiling, or saying hi. It’s just odd. I think the same thing about people that are like that on (analog), bikes, it’s just really rare.

Give them a break, They're embarrassed. Wouldn't you be?
Of course they don't want to make eye contact.

[Roxtar]

It wasn't you. You've never been here. The trail is the rock, so it doesn't turn over or move. The evidence lasts. It's like when you climb into the back seat and try to lay trenches between jump turns on a pristine slope but every time the slope gets up to 25 degrees you go ass over tea kettle and dig a huge bomb hole, lose one ski, take off the other and use it for a shovel, double the size of the hole, and then do it all over again. On the gentlest slope you can find.

And then it freezes for a thousand years as a monument to your incompetence.

It's like that. But with a motor.

Yeah, that analogy doesn't really fly.
The frozen bomb hole messes your ski run. How does a scratched rock effect your ride?
I mean, comon dude, they're rocks.
On a bike trail.

This sounds more like a rant on the Sierra Club forums.

[nickwm21]

The big wildfire around Bishop / Mammoth a few years ago - wasn’t it determined it was caused by a spark from a pedal strike on Lower Rock Creek? Probably a fucking eeeeb rider…


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[North]

I don't know how you PNW riders do it. 1wk (admittedly, sort of a big week) of "bikepacking" through the San Juans with some pretty wet days (by CO standards) and my bike was thrashed.

Fixed:
Shifty Shifting (B tension screw walking - thanks SRAM)
Leaking rear shock - 200hr service
Toasted Bottom Bracket - replaced
Pogo Fork - 200hr service

This bike has already gotten a new chain, pads and a brake bleed, and new shift cable housing this season. Still needs dropper service. Rants include IFP service procedures that make Bukkake-ing the workshop walls with suspension fluid a foregone conclusion, and stiff brake hoses that make caliper alignment a chore. Might be time for one of those clamshell alignment tools.

[SchralphMacchio]

Fir needles and organic loam mud aren’t the same as SW sandstone, limestone and other fine sediment grit that works its way into everything. That shit fucks your drivetrain and bearings for sure.

I think what fucks up bikes here more than the constant water is when the bikes aren’t allowed to drain and dry in cold temperatures (putting a wet bike into a 35F unheated garage for example). I blow my bike off with my air compressor and wipe with towel after wet season rides, it definitely preserves the bearing life.

[XXX-er]

The big wildfire around Bishop / Mammoth a few years ago - wasn’t it determined it was caused by a spark from a pedal strike on Lower Rock Creek? Probably a fucking eeeeb rider…


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Show us on the doll where the E-bike hit you and are sure it was an e-bike

well he didn't hit me but he looked at me

[jackstraw]

Give them a break, They're embarrassed. Wouldn't you be?
Of course they don't want to make eye contact.

I just demo'd one for the first time and I was probably overly nice to everyone. I say hi to everybody anyway, but I did come up behind a guy on a climb and he said something about "pass in a minute or whatever" and I said no, I'm on an eeb, so continue at your pace and when I have a window I'll let you know. And then that turned into a short conversation about eebs. Was all good.

Respect the regular mtn bikers. They have priority. That's the bottom line imo. If you don't agree, you're wrong.

[XXX-er]

Respect the regular mtn bikers. They have priority. That's the bottom line imo. If you don't agree, you're wrong.

You only have to if they scowl at you and then you both stop and he smells your butt

[jackstraw]

You only have to if they scowl at you and then you both stop and he smells your butt

You're not an OG Candian are you? But you were a mtn biker before an eeb rider, so just stop! You know you're just being difficult. This is legit rant stuff!

[XXX-er]

Yeah Canadian so thats why nobody around here cares

But if you get an E-bike it will still be you only better which will piss off everybody down there

until they also buy one so they can suck less, of course they will invariably pissoff someone else

One of my buddies tells me " It ain't a question of If, its a question of when I buy an E-bike "

My 1st real mtn bike is an 86 Marin bear valley which I now only ride to the bar so do the math

maybe you will feel better if you also think of me as ranting

[Roxtar]

One of my buddies tells me " It ain't a question of If, its a question of when I buy an E-bike "

Agree totally.
I fully expect to buy an e-bike when I hit my eighties and my testosterone drops to Canadian levels.

[jono]

Yeah, that analogy doesn't really fly.
The frozen bomb hole messes your ski run. How does a scratched rock effect your ride?
I mean, comon dude, they're rocks.
On a bike trail.

This sounds more like a rant on the Sierra Club forums.

I'm not talking about rocks, I'm talking about a specific rock that forms a (generally quite technical) trail (found, not built). It's like a cross between bmx and trials and everyone rightfully hates it, which is why visits peaked a decade ago.

Point being, a pedal strike in this context is either totally avoidable (like most of these) or has a decent chance to unclean your line. Shifting your weight on the bike is a necessary skill here and should solve 99% of these. (Disclaimer: If you're not here, don't acquire that or plan a trip or anything, just be happy.) But anyone who's riding sandstone and is such a hack that they can't keep from hitting the ground every time it ripples up by an inch or two (or somehow smacking it on the Outside of an off-camber turn!) should just ride on pavement or go get a nice Peleton. I hear they really let you go places together.

The timing was ironic: just as I was speculating about the explanation for all these new strike marks the e-bike thread was having this confirming conversation:

Everything was going great until I pedal struck a cut log on the edge of the "rollercoaster" trail. Launched me over the bars.

my tendancy is to keep pedaling so the motor is always assisting so I go faster/hit more stuff as a result

I expect to get an ebike when I need to someday, too. Might just help build a few more. But after all this I'm gonna have to be on guard against letting it turn me into an entitled little bitch with a comfy manger seat and maple leaf panties all twisted into knots. That was unexpected.

[toast2266]

^^^ the thing with ebikes is they're fucking useless on climbs unless you're pedaling because otherwise there's no motor and you're just on a shitty 55 lb bike. So you have to keep pedaling, even through chunky stuff. And unlike on a real bike, ratcheting the pedals doesn't really work. Most of the motors don't have enough overrun to handle ratcheting, so your power will cut out. Which means the technique ends up being to just pedal and smash your way up rocky climbs.

I will say, there's a couple of steep rocky climbs around me that are essentially unrideable on a real bike. They're too steep and too rutted for too long. But they're an entertaining challenge on the moped.

*none of this should be taken as a defense of ebikes. Despite owning one, I think they're kind of dumb for able bodied adults.

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[jackstraw]

I would have struck that log with my Bronson also. Had nothing to do with the bike. I've ridden the trail multiple times and have managed to miss it. (I've actually never seen it as its just beyond a corner and on a 70 degree pitch, so looking way beyond)

Anytime you want to ride some New England rocky tech let me know and I'll send you to my builds where you'll pedal strike or slam the bash guard...guaranteed... because you don't the lines and there's only one. Or if you want to ride steep lines in Santa Cruz I'll be here.

[jackstraw]

^^^ the thing with ebikes is they're fucking useless on climbs unless you're pedaling because otherwise there's no motor and you're just on a shitty 55 lb bike. So you have to keep pedaling, even through chunky stuff. And unlike on a real bike, ratcheting the pedals doesn't really work. Most of the motors don't have enough overrun to handle ratcheting, so your power will cut out. Which means the technique ends up being to just pedal and smash your way up rocky climbs.

I will say, there's a couple of steep rocky climbs around me that are essentially unrideable on a real bike. They're too steep and too rutted for too long. But they're an entertaining challenge on the moped.

*none of this should be taken as a defense of ebikes. Despite owning one, I think they're kind of dumb for able bodied adults.

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I've only ridden 2 eebs and I found the power bands completely different. But I did find riding the specialized terox (not a real mtn bike) up a rock garden difficult because it was launching me forward much faster than I'm used to...plus I had chainsaw on my back with other tools, so not really "riding". Even so it felt like I could ratchet that thing up in eco mode if I was really riding.

[XXX-er]

I expect to get an ebike when I need to someday, too. Might just help build a few more. But after all this I'm gonna have to be on guard against letting it turn me into an entitled little bitch with a comfy manger seat and maple leaf panties all twisted into knots. That was unexpected.

You appear to still be obsessed with rocks in any case if you were really committed when you age out you would just quit riding instead of getting on the e-bike program

Its like yesturday I hate e-bikes now i ride one, what a wanker

in any case your mom sez she likes it maple leaf style eh

[jono]

Fuck you, Riley. Your mom clapped so hard Jonesy's mom fell out of bed. Tell her to stop calling me. Go get yourself an entry into some senior whaleshit e-bike races, then get drunk and post all you can. eBitch.

Never did I hate on the machines. Take out your battery and ride it wherever. Since they're the same I'm sure that will be fine. Except you'll stop begging for the approval of the motor, which will help you be less of a hack. Less.

I've only ridden 2 eebs and I found the power bands completely different. But I did find riding the specialized terox (not a real mtn bike) up a rock garden difficult because it was launching me forward much faster than I'm used to...plus I had chainsaw on my back with other tools, so not really "riding". Even so it felt like I could ratchet that thing up in eco mode if I was really riding.

@jackstraw, the part I found relevant with your crash was the result. Not that all pedal strikes are catastrophic or completely avoidable, but some are. So it helps to get in the habit of keeping the pedals off the ground as much as possible. Hopefully before the terrain tilts up 20-30 degrees and the tires barely have enough grip with all your weight on them.

Apparently the conflict with propulsion (or losing some of it) presents a further challenge to that. But my experience sounds similar to yours in that while it isn't totally ideal, it's possible to ratchet the pedals or just pause slightly to allow the timing to line up better. You just have to accept the minor loss in overall boost--same as without a motor in these circumstances. IOW: not all trails are roads, choose accordingly. The challenge of timing power to wheel traps, step-ups and stupid steeps may just not be your (royal you) kind of fun. Fine. Keep off.

[jackstraw]

@jackstraw, the part I found relevant with your crash was the result. Not that all pedal strikes are catastrophic or completely avoidable, but some are. So it helps to get in the habit of keeping the pedals off the ground as much as possible. Hopefully before the terrain tilts up 20-30 degrees and the tires barely have enough grip with all your weight on them.

Apparently the conflict with propulsion (or losing some of it) presents a further challenge to that. But my experience sounds similar to yours in that while it isn't totally ideal, it's possible to ratchet the pedals or just pause slightly to allow the timing to line up better. You just have to accept the minor loss in overall boost--same as without a motor in these circumstances. IOW: not all trails are roads, choose accordingly. The challenge of timing power to wheel traps, step-ups and stupid steeps may just not be your (royal you) kind of fun. Fine. Keep off.

Wtf are you talking about? My crash was on a down. Had nothing to do with ratcheting an up.

Have you built one trail? I've built networks to tech that beat the shit out of you.

You sound like a full kook and truly clueless.

Where do you live, Kansas?

You whine about snowboarders too?

[jono]

Wtf are you talking about? My crash was on a down. Had nothing to do with ratcheting an up.

Read it again: sometimes a pedal strike is a big problem and sometimes it's not. Sometimes they're very avoidable. Others not. Ratcheting is not the only solution, but it sure is an easy one on generally flat ground--which is specifically what I came here to rant about.

I don't ride where you ride and you don't ride where I ride. Stop projecting. I've never mentioned your trails because they're not relevant to my rant.

[Canada1]

As I've noted, my life right now is on blue trails. I have little power output, as the stupid new knee has caused a level of atrophy in the leg that means my 85# daughter has more leg mass than me. I was going through some rocks on a little up and stalled and flopped over on my side because I couldn't unclip with my chicken leg. I haven't done that in alot of years. Fortunately, I managed to not cause harm to myself or my bike.

[Roxtar]

maple leaf style

You mean an hour of begging followed by a kiss on the cheek?