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  1. #6701
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    Or as Mark Twain said, “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes”

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    a local bunch tried to mess up a new trail on the ski hill, basicly a summer hiking area with multiple braided trails thru the alpine, dogs running off leash for decades and decades, trying to spin it as a sensitive alpine

    to make a long story short the ski hill and mtn bike ass. don't have to jump thru all the normal enviro hoops because its been a commercial rec tenure for probabaly longer than anybody cared about that stuff which is 60 yrs

    so they got pissed off ripped up the survey markers and thru em in a water filled tarn, got in the way of the trail crew, threatened to blocade whatever that means, but i think its settled down
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

  3. #6703
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    It’s lazy. Disguised as something else. But just lazy product management.


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    Forcing your supply chain to add complexity (i.e., potential for defects, i.e., reduced throughput and increased lead times) for something that detracts from margins and adds practically no revenue upside, mostly because you are afraid of pissing off a few noisy dealers who are going to lose all of 2-3 frame sales per year, that’s actually lazy product management.*

    *I know nothing about the bike industry - ordering volumes, margins, bike manufacturing - but I do know about lazy product management, I used to manage tens of millions of dollars and tens of thousands of SKUs of decades of products made in Los Angeles, Shenzen, and Monterrey and sold all over North America, and had to live with my mistakes and the mistakes of product managers before me for the entirety of my career.
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  4. #6704
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    Hey - I don’t need tube in tube - I’ve never owned a frame that fancy anyway. I just need holes or cable bosses. I’m not into charging derailleur batteries.


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  5. #6705
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post
    Holy shit - thank you for this. I'm going to invoke this liberally(heh) going forward.
    That's actually only half of it. Not only is it much harder to refute it than to spew it, the pool of available facts is limited while there's an unlimited well of bullshit to draw from.

  6. #6706
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    Quote Originally Posted by XXX-er View Post
    a local bunch tried to mess up a new trail on the ski hill, basicly a summer hiking area with multiple braided trails thru the alpine, dogs running off leash for decades and decades, trying to spin it as a sensitive alpine

    to make a long story short the ski hill and mtn bike ass. don't have to jump thru all the normal enviro hoops because its been a commercial rec tenure for probabaly longer than anybody cared about that stuff which is 60 yrs

    so they got pissed off ripped up the survey markers and thru em in a water filled tarn, got in the way of the trail crew, threatened to blocade whatever that means, but i think its settled down
    I like that the local environment loonie moved to Smithers from North Van!

  7. #6707
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    Hey - I don’t need tube in tube - I’ve never owned a frame that fancy anyway. I just need holes or cable bosses. I’m not into charging derailleur batteries.


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    How about driving to the TH only to discover you battery is at home on the charger. I still laugh at that one.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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  8. #6708
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    Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    How about driving to the TH only to discover you battery is at home on the charger. I still laugh at that one.
    I did that to my wife for her second ride of her blingy Bronson 4.1 CC XO AXS that we bought last month, forgot to tell her that I put the derailleur battery into the charger and she drove off with a single speed for the day
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  9. #6709
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio View Post
    I did that to my wife for her second ride of her blingy Bronson 4.1 CC XO AXS that we bought last month, forgot to tell her that I put the derailleur battery into the charger and she drove off with a single speed for the day
    Probably should be a thread for the stupid stuff husbands do.

  10. #6710
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powder Ho View Post
    Probably should be a thread for the stupid stuff husbands do.
    They do - that’s like half of the content on social media these days.

  11. #6711
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchralphMacchio View Post
    I did that to my wife for her second ride of her blingy Bronson 4.1 CC XO AXS that we bought last month, forgot to tell her that I put the derailleur battery into the charger and she drove off with a single speed for the day
    Quote Originally Posted by Bunion 2020 View Post
    How about driving to the TH only to discover you battery is at home on the charger. I still laugh at that one.
    Pretty much everyone I know with e shifting has done this. The ‘fix’ appears to be multiple batteries but that creates a different mgmt issue
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  12. #6712
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    The buddy that I watched go through that had been unbearable about his raving over e-shifting until that very moment.

    To his credit he single speeded the ride only complaining a little bit and borrowing another guys battery to put it in low for the bigger climbs.
    I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

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  13. #6713
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Pretty much everyone I know with e shifting has done this. The ‘fix’ appears to be multiple batteries but that creates a different mgmt issue
    I've done this with my rockshox axs reverb dropper. Ever since then I just leave the charger plugged into the usb in my van as I always drive to trailheads, just need to make sure I take the battery off the bike and plug in on the drive home.

  14. #6714
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Pretty much everyone I know with e shifting has done this. The ‘fix’ appears to be multiple batteries but that creates a different mgmt issue
    I have had wireless for a couple years, basically since it came out. I've never once gone to a ride without a battery in the bike, never once ran my batteries completely empty on a ride. For anyone remotely organized, it's not hard to do. It's not like an iPhone or Apple Watch which require charging every day - it's more like once every 3-4 weeks on the derailleur and once every few months for the dropper.

  15. #6715
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andeh View Post
    I have had wireless for a couple years, basically since it came out. I've never once gone to a ride without a battery in the bike, never once ran my batteries completely empty on a ride. For anyone remotely organized, it's not hard to do. It's not like an iPhone or Apple Watch which require charging every day - it's more like once every 3-4 weeks on the derailleur and once every few months for the dropper.
    I charged my AXS transmission battery at the beginning of the bike season (for me) in April and once since just because I felt like I should. 1200 miles so far this season on the bike.

  16. #6716
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andeh View Post
    <snip> For anyone remotely organized, it's not hard to do.

  17. #6717
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    Quote Originally Posted by duffski View Post
    I've done this with my rockshox axs reverb dropper. Ever since then I just leave the charger plugged into the usb in my van as I always drive to trailheads, just need to make sure I take the battery off the bike and plug in on the drive home.
    That seems like the solution. Probably nominal decrease in battery health that way but if you have a 20min+ drive it likely guarantees you always have juice.


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  18. #6718
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    My neighbor was a road coach at a world class level and when that stuff first appeared the first thing she told me about WAS dead batteries
    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

  19. #6719
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    Quote Originally Posted by skaredshtles View Post


    I have gone to start a ride with dead battery. Thankfully my dropper had on that was still juiced, but I was slightly annoyed...at myself. I'm not really cut out for battery biking

  20. #6720
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    Three months with transmission so far and only charged my battery twice. Have a spare in my hipbelt in case. Overthinking is the only reason to charge those batteries more than once every few weeks. They last forever, even with consistent use.

  21. #6721
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    I've been pretty good on keeping my AXS shit charged since I got my xc bike in the spring, but post died about 20 minutes before the end of my descent Saturday....did the quick battery swap, lowered seat, swapped back to derailleur to finish ride. I like the post action, and the shift action, but holy shit the derailleur clutch is terrible and constantly needs micro-adjusting and b-tension constantly backs out.

    Conversely, replaced my xt der/chain/shifter cable on my bronson while in sun peaks in like 45 minutes, set everything, couple of turns on the barrel adjuster and it just fucking works with no faff. definitely not sold on electronic shifting.

  22. #6722
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    Pull the B-screw, and get a nut which fits it from ACE, then put back together. Cinch nut down, it won't back out. Don't know why mfgs don't do this, they are constantly walking.

  23. #6723
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    I run my eeb commuter/trail worker Tero X in the "off" position just for the hell of it and it pedals surprisingly well for a heavy fs clunker. I'd have no concerns running out of juice on an eeb. You'd make it out. A grind up would be a workout, but manageable if you're semi fit.

  24. #6724
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJG View Post
    Pull the B-screw, and get a nut which fits it from ACE, then put back together. Cinch nut down, it won't back out. Don't know why mfgs don't do this, they are constantly walking.
    thanks for the tip!

  25. #6725
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickwm21 View Post
    Any parent that buys their kid one is a fucking idiot. Full stop.
    Cities in Orange County have been cracking down on e-bikes and Surrons the last year or so. Now San Clemente is looking at holding parents responsible.

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