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  1. #4301
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    The Sisters always hold the most vert and snow...

    Does the chute looker's right just out of frame still go?

    I'll probably make a visit in 2 weeks haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skier666 View Post
    The Sisters always hold the most vert and snow...

    Does the chute looker's right just out of frame still go?

    I'll probably make a visit in 2 weeks haha.
    Sorry to say that Cock-Rock is a no-go. However, on Sunday the snow still went all the way to Roundtop Lake.
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    Let me know if you decide to go.

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    Colorado transplant. Heard it's like pushing cement out here. Looking forward to not getting buried.

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    Yeah skiing here sucks I wouldn't even bother

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    Sadly we don't have anything as gnar as the legendary back bowls of Vail. Like robojerry said above, it's probably not even worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Sadly we don't have anything as gnar as the legendary back bowls of Vail. Like robojerry said above, it's probably not even worth it.
    Heavenly ftw amirite?

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    I'm going to guess that you don't appreciate the cohesiveness as much as I do. Darn! I'm not making cool resort buddies here. Guess I'll have to stick to getting first tracks in your BC.

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    Yeah BC skiing is great if you're into parking tickets, minivert, and skintrack traffic. Maybe take up road biking? Seems to be pretty popular

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    Out of curiosity, coming from where in Colorado?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nachoconqueso12 View Post
    Colorado transplant. Heard it's like pushing cement out here. Looking forward to not getting buried.
    I like to describe the snow quality here in California as queso con nachos, so your moniker is apt. Welcome to shitty snow, traffic, rain, and no BC terrain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by meter-man View Post
    I like to describe the snow quality here in California as queso con nachos, so your moniker is apt. Welcome to shitty snow, traffic, rain, and no BC terrain!
    You forgot to mention that the beer is warm!

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    Are vacation rentals killing Tahoe?

    Many businesses have help wanted signs out front. When I noticed it in the spring, I just assumed it was part of the seasonal ebb and flow. The signs are still up. It seems that these businesses aren't able to find anyone to work low paying jobs. Most of the people who would work those low paying jobs probably rely on seasonal or long term rentals for housing.

    The pool of affordable seasonal/long term rentals has shrunk drastically in the past few years, while the amount of VRBO and AirBnB listings have skyrocketed. I'm guessing there is a direct correlation.

    Now, I get it. Tourism drives the Tahoe economy. AND, if you own a second (or third, fourth, etc.) home in Tahoe, you can make much more money by renting your space out on AirBnB. Hell, you could probably pay for all the utilities, mortgage, taxes, and upkeep in a week or two. And I'm guilty. When family from out of state comes to visit, they take full advantage of the abundance of vacation rental homes. But it prices the low-wage workforce out of town. No cheap housing = no big macs?

    Is there any way to find a healthy balance of rental options? Are any of the surrounding communities currently managing or trying to fix the situation? Are there any other tourism-driven areas that have taken steps? Just trying to figure out what is being, or could be, done.

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    Huge bay-area salary = all cash, second home, pay around 20% over asking, no problem.
    Truckee area has a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnarbro365 View Post
    Are vacation rentals killing Tahoe?

    Many businesses have help wanted signs out front. When I noticed it in the spring, I just assumed it was part of the seasonal ebb and flow. The signs are still up. It seems that these businesses aren't able to find anyone to work low paying jobs. Most of the people who would work those low paying jobs probably rely on seasonal or long term rentals for housing.

    The pool of affordable seasonal/long term rentals has shrunk drastically in the past few years, while the amount of VRBO and AirBnB listings have skyrocketed. I'm guessing there is a direct correlation.

    Now, I get it. Tourism drives the Tahoe economy. AND, if you own a second (or third, fourth, etc.) home in Tahoe, you can make much more money by renting your space out on AirBnB. Hell, you could probably pay for all the utilities, mortgage, taxes, and upkeep in a week or two. And I'm guilty. When family from out of state comes to visit, they take full advantage of the abundance of vacation rental homes. But it prices the low-wage workforce out of town. No cheap housing = no big macs?

    Is there any way to find a healthy balance of rental options? Are any of the surrounding communities currently managing or trying to fix the situation? Are there any other tourism-driven areas that have taken steps? Just trying to figure out what is being, or could be, done.
    Short answer to your first question is yes.

    But speaking from current experience (got our 60 day notice to vacate last week) the market for affordable long term rentals is straight garbage. You have to be willing to pay an arm and a leg to find anything reasonable. Even when something good pops up it turns into a feeding frenzy because so many people are looking for something affordable. Went to an open house for a rental last week and we're competing for a 3 bedroom house with over 50 people. I make more money than an average ski resort employee and it still sucks trying to find something within budget. I honestly can't even imagine how an entry level lift operator or restaurant worker can even manage to make ends meet here. Resorts all around the north lake area struggled with employment numbers this season. That and with more than half of resort employees living in reno it was almost impossible to run anything smoothly thanks to the abundance of closed highways this winter.

    All of that being said I've heard of towns adopting policies that limit the percentage of vacation and short term rentals in order to combat the issue. I heard recently that the glenshire hoa was trying to adopt something along those lines which would be a step in the right direction.

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    As far as real estate goes, Tahoe - especially Truckee - has become a distant suburb of the bay area. It's like a virus spreading north. It really hit my home town of Sonoma a few years ago, and many locals who hadn't already purchased a home were forced to leave due to skyrocketing prices and very little rental inventory. Plenty of evictions, tons of restaurants and tourism, and lots of help wanted signs. So a very similar situation. The city of Sonoma proper doesn't even allow short term rentals (but you can find them just outside the city limits), so it's not as simple as only blaming airBNB. I'd say it has more to do with the huge influx of bay area cash and people not being able to afford to buy further south. It would be a problem even if short term rentals didn't exist.

    We have a second home in Tahoe Donner, but we use it a lot (I've probably slept there over 100 nights in the last year). And when we don't occupy it we list it on AirBNB. I'm sure it contributes some to the problem but I think far worse is the trend of people buying homes in the area for the sole purpose of airBNB and turning a profit. That's kind of messed up as it's purely an investment play with zero respect for the impact on the local community.

    Ski resorts and large employers being cheap / chasing dollars deserve some blame too. Look at Squaw, proposing a village that would require 700 new jobs - most of them lower wage - and only proposing to provide housing for 300 of them. So they would flood Truckee / Tahoe City and beyond with another 400 people looking for rentals on top of the current shortage. Which means most will probably end up commuting from Kings Beach and Reno and the traffic will get that much worse.

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    Banning short term rentals isn't the answer, and I believe there may be legal obstacles to banning them for existing units. The answer is zoning, planning review, and building fees that encourage affordable long term housing. Stop zoning for single homes on large lots and start zoning for high density high rise units (not in Squaw Valley but in areas that are not highly desirable due to location). Adjust building fees so that a 500 sf apt doesn't incur the same fees as a 50,000 McMansion. Raise the transient occupancy tax to discourage short term rentals and use the revenue to subsidize more low income housing. Right now in Truckee even if you wanted to build affordable housing you couldn't because as anyone around here who has tried to find a contractor knows they're all busy building luxury house in Martis Camp and places like that, and if you can find a contractor he can't find subs and workers--immigration policy isn't helping that either. What is lacking is the political will. Wealthy homeowners don't really want to see the kind of housing that would be attractive to local workers and not to vacationing tourists. Everybody is talking about the problem and studying the problem. No one is doing anything about it. No one here in govt has the balls or the energy to take any meaningful action on anything. (Even making bear boxes mandatory is too controversial to pass.) Maybe when half the stores and restaurants are shuttered for lack of employees, when your furnace dies and you can't find a heating contractor to fix it the politicians will act.

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    In other news Squaw fined for patroller Joe Zuiches' death.
    http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Oli...E3B3&mode=text
    Sounds like maybe he was trying to untangle hang charges. The article also mentions Andrew Entin's death--sound like he was ski cutting Headwall face after a charge failed to detonate--I had been under the impression that he was standing uphill and to the side of another patroller's charge the triggered a slide and the crown extended to his position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    In other news Squaw fined for patroller Joe Zuiches' death.
    http://digital.olivesoftware.com/Oli...E3B3&mode=text
    Sounds like maybe he was trying to untangle hang charges. The article also mentions Andrew Entin's death--sound like he was ski cutting Headwall face after a charge failed to detonate--I had been under the impression that he was standing uphill and to the side of another patroller's charge the triggered a slide and the crown extended to his position.
    Per the OSHA website, the avalanche that killed Eski was triggered by a hand charge, not while ski cutting: https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/establ...l?id=311862544

    Seems Sacbee forgot to research or factcheck before publishing

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    Look back at some fat spring skiing on the great one in early April

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    The little zone above Round Top Lake is a lot of fun considering it's mid August. The snow isn't in terrible shape either but there are definitely a few rocks out there looking to get ya.

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    Such nice stoke...

    FOR AUGUST!

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Stop zoning for single homes on large lots and start zoning for high density high rise units (not in Squaw Valley but in areas that are not highly desirable due to location)
    Sorry to nitpick...but where in Tahoe is not highly desirable due to location? Build a bunch of high rise units...but not on mah squaw?


    Thanks for clearing it up boys. We're fucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old goat View Post
    Maybe when half the stores and restaurants are shuttered for lack of employees, when your furnace dies and you can't find a heating contractor to fix it the politicians will act.
    Too bad they didn't start to act when their ski resorts couldn't open on time/at all during the best season in a while due to lack of employees and more than half the workforce living in Reno

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    I've found the solution. Should fit in nicely near Sand Harbor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnarbro365 View Post
    Sorry to nitpick...but where in Tahoe is not highly desirable due to location? Build a bunch of high rise units...but not on mah squaw?
    Pretty sure old goat lives near Donner lake. But either way, I would suggest building the high density units somewhere with more than a single ingress / egress via a 2 lane access road. The rail yard project in Truckee is a nice start (I do wish they would state that priority will be given to bidders with a local address or who will make it their primary residence, but at least it's something).

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