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    Quote Originally Posted by cmcrawfo View Post
    this is not the norm. Most Drug users don't actually want to take narcan. As it reversers the intended effects and results in being 'dope sick' rather abruptly. The key is to walk the line.
    It is not the norm but there are a lot of instances of this happening. It depends on where you live and what exposure you have. We are getting between 40-50 ODs through the ER weekly (RI). All heroin and fentanyl, really sad.
    Why don't you go practice fallin' down? I'll be there in a minute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy View Post
    Here's something I just can't get my head around:

    People are still doing meth for the first time. Nobody, ever, has started doing meth and been OK. It never, ever ends well. Almost any other drug has a mix of risks and benefits, even crack or heroin have a sort of euphoric thing and some history of artists and creative people being into them...but meth? Really? You want to spend days freaking out scratching your face off, worrying yourself to tears, unable to sleep or eat? Nobody has ever benefited from meth, ever....and that's pretty common knowledge, so who the fuck is trying meth for the first time at this stage of the game....and why? How? What the fuck
    Meth is awesome. Have done it innumerable times without any issue. Haven't in 10 years or so, but probably would again. Best experience I've had with it was road tripping to Miami for NYE Y2K. Four of the most fun days I've had.

    There's one aspect of AA's take on addiction that is really spot on... People who are prone to addiction lack a certain capacity for rigorous honesty. Most drugs, and alcohol, will help you believe any lie you're inclined to tell. Some drugs will help you a little... Some will help a lot. A couple (ie psychedelics) won't help at all. But if you're in pain, and unwilling to address what's really causing it, drugs will offer a temporary sense of relief. How far down the rabbit hole one has to go is directly proportional to how invested one is in avoiding the real problem. Drug and alcohol "addiction" act as a great barometer of a society's emotional well-being. We have a lot of unhappy people around here... But it's up to them as individuals to come to terms with themselves.
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    I like your analysis!
    Looking for the next turn..

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_teo View Post
    I like your analysis!


    This. Meth is awesome. And crazed animal meth sex is even awesomer.

    But a man who has daughters damn sure doesn't want them learning that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by highangle View Post
    Meth is awesome. And crazed animal meth sex is even awesomer.

    But a man who has daughters damn sure doesn't want them learning that...
    This is one of the best quotes I have ever read on tgr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highangle View Post
    This. Meth is awesome. And crazed animal meth sex is even awesomer.

    But a man who has daughters damn sure doesn't want them learning that...
    Kinda how it starts, never how it ends, if your Are actual addict.

    Do some parenting and part two of the quote above isn't going to happen. You don't just stumble into a meth lab, it's kinda something people work up to.

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    That escalated quickly.

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    Well, thanks for answering.

    So essentially you look at the million other people who have been ruined by meth and you figure you're of a sturdier quality than them. Fair enough.

    NTTAWWT....because you may be right; I mean, there are hardier-than-average people, they do exist, and if there are hardier-than-average people you may be one of them. Why not?....indeed, you may be extraordinarily hardy. You may be like a professional athlete of meth, a fighter pilot...of meth, if you will.

    Still, seems dicey. But who am I to tell anyone not to do dicey stuff, I used to ride shitty old long-frontend hardtail motorcycles super fast, sparking pegs in the turns, drunk and high, in a t shirt, tennis shoes and a baseball cap. My vans had rub spots on my heels from feeling where the road was as I cornered so I didn't bottom out on the frame, that was my technique. I had a spot in my neighborhood where I could lead police into what looked like a dead end, then ride the m/c through a narrow pedestrian pathway between two fences, then I was like 2 quick blocks from my garage. I remember having this argument online, could have been here on tgr, about how being a skier and hockey player and mtb rider gave me a better ability to protect myself in a crash....I contend it's true, I crashed motorcycles twice and both times I was in control of my body the whole way, protecting my head, going for a slide like you would in a ski crash. Every sane calculation says drunk-riding rickety old hardtail choppers aggressively is an unsurvivable lifestyle....meh...I was a fighter pilot of choppering. I always figured if I could ski trees fast I could ride a motorcycle fast through traffic, it's pretty much the same thing.

    So .... rock on with your meth, astronauts. Try not to fuck up and die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw View Post
    But it's up to them as individuals to come to terms with themselves.
    Short term & at an individual level, sure. In aggregate or long term, it's up to society as a whole to look at itself rather than conveniently ignore the underlying problems & pawn off responsibility for change on those that don't come to abide the chaos.

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    https://www.opensocietyfoundations.o...d-20140218.pdf

    Give that a read. It's interesting and relevant to the meth discussion.
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    Yea, meth is great fun until you gotta start killing all the treepoles outside in the parking lot across the street, and the wife trades one of the kids for batteries and cold meds. But yea before all that is great fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dromontana View Post
    Short term & at an individual level, sure. In aggregate or long term, it's up to society as a whole to look at itself rather than conveniently ignore the underlying problems & pawn off responsibility for change on those that don't come to abide the chaos.
    I wasn't aware there was a way for "society" to take responsibility for ensuring individuals make good decisions... Nor was I aware that "society' is capable of looking at "itself". Seems odd we haven't chosen to use these tools yet... We should totally stop the Syrian civil war, the disenfranchisement of the Middle Class, and capitalist and religious influence over government, social services, and health care!

    Or maybe you've got it backwards... Maybe society is made up of a group of individuals who all make whatever choices they want. If we want to be a better society, we need to focus on being better individuals. Next time you're thinking "society ought to do something about that", go actually do something about that.
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    ^Compelling take on the mind shift benefit from criminal activity to rec w/ help for addicts...but...sigh...2015 and it's the wrong administration for seeing that through in the US.. I mean, Sessions is the oldest of old school dinosaurs.

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    I drucking love fugs:


    FWIW, yea, I did a lot of speed back in the day.
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    Human free will is one hell of a drug.

    Having seen the devastating effects opioid and amphetamine abuse can have on a life, a family, and innocent bystanders I can confidently recommend kids reading this to stay away from that shit. Not just recommend, actually beg. It's not worth it.
    Stick to the pot. Pot prohibition will end in your life time, and you won't be a criminal for safely self medicating with natural herb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripice351 View Post
    Pot prohibition will end in your life time, and you won't be a criminal for safely self medicating with natural herb.
    Maybe. I guess it depends on how long you live:
    http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/23/politi...ald-trump-pot/
    And I guess that I just don't know

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    fedz will do their thing with illegal grows in all states...but all legal grows are protected by state constitutional law and they will not waste any legal resources on the subject....ever.

    Transport over state lines will expose you to liability with federal agencies and other similar actions that expose you to the feds....otherwise...the fed DOJ can suck our balls and fuck off.

    On to legal Shrooms for 2020. Humanity is ready.

    I dont understand the feds having a monopoly on LSD....release the supplies already!!!
    Terje was right.

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    Meth is great for helping you do those tasks that you really don't want to do.
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    Lotta piss poor excuses for humanity in this thread, suggesting the killing of addicts, three strikes your out rules, etc... Any community that has tried the legalized routes of heroin has seen banner success. Just look at Switzerland today, it has clinics for heroin addicts to go get their fix and lead normal lives. No ODs there. Take a look at Manchester, UK in the 80s and its pilot program to give the street addicts access to medicinal heroin. Related crime like theft, vandalism, etc. dropped like a brick and many of the street addicts became functional member of society for a time being before the Thatcher government said ohhh no to that under pressure from Reagan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stfu&gbtw View Post
    I wasn't aware there was a way for "society" to take responsibility for ensuring individuals make good decisions... Nor was I aware that "society' is capable of looking at "itself". Seems odd we haven't chosen to use these tools yet... We should totally stop the Syrian civil war, the disenfranchisement of the Middle Class, and capitalist and religious influence over government, social services, and health care!

    Or maybe you've got it backwards... Maybe society is made up of a group of individuals who all make whatever choices they want. If we want to be a better society, we need to focus on being better individuals. Next time you're thinking "society ought to do something about that", go actually do something about that.
    When feedback mechanisms like graft controls are flouted without institutional punishment, it shifts the incentives. I bring up the collective element because myopic focus on the individual ignores the large influence governing bodies have over perceived future incentives based on x or y behavior. Boards pander to executives because they know governance is a joke now. Tesla's board is composed of fluffers, so there's little incentive for individuals in leadership to do the right thing. POTUS rapes women & stiffs vendors because his wealth overwhelms legal structure, which then shifts the incentives for him to behave going forward. Point the finger into the abyss all you want, but lack of reform within primary institutions is needed alongside individual-level change. They shift alongside eachother & react to eachother. Treating them as two separate constructs to be talked about in separate conversations perpetuates the dysfunction.

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    DroBro gettin all postmodern 'n shit...

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    I'm all for freedom first and the right to choose but when it comes to meth and the H or whatever else is out there these days this concept becomes a little more complicated.

    I've heard people argue that if the hard drugs were legal then they would be cleaner and a lot less dangerous. I don't have enough education on that to have much of an opinion.

    Ever hear Doug Stanhope's stand up on being good at drugs? Shit is hilarious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=986WvOawpuc
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