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Thread: Fu*king Cyclists
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08-17-2022, 11:56 AM #2251
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08-17-2022, 11:56 AM #2252
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08-17-2022, 11:58 AM #2253Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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08-17-2022, 12:00 PM #2254Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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08-17-2022, 12:01 PM #2255
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08-17-2022, 12:04 PM #2256
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08-17-2022, 12:10 PM #2257
you might be...maybe not - we have to rely on the filmer's text to know that...lo res imagery
either way, seems to be a reaction, not a provocation
why is this driver anywhere near these riders on this empty road after he presumably passed them when they pulled over?
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08-17-2022, 12:15 PM #2258Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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08-17-2022, 12:22 PM #2259
you're ignoring the cut between scenes
the honk & the angry cyclist reaction aren't directly related in the timeline, at least not for immediacy of sequence of events
cyclists make no reactions to the passing vehicle in the first scene
but the stopped vehicle in the shoulder is directly related to the gesticulating cyclist as shown
maybe ask why the vehicle is even there in proximity with the cyclists at all on a seemingly empty road?
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08-17-2022, 12:28 PM #2260
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08-17-2022, 12:44 PM #2261
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08-17-2022, 12:55 PM #2262Registered User
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Nothing as entitled as a cyclists pissed off at a stopped vehicle in plain site, and easily avoidable. Assuming a stopped vehicle in "their" lane was the reason for their outburst. Continuing the assumptions...
Maybe the car driver was taking a call and actually pulled over to do so per most state laws?
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08-17-2022, 01:00 PM #2263
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08-17-2022, 01:01 PM #2264
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08-17-2022, 01:10 PM #2265Registered User
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Roadies only like to take-the-lane when its their choice, and they can exert ownership of the lane over a following motorized vehicle. Being forced to take the lane is extremely inconvenient, just plain outrageous, and will not stand! Isnt that common knowledge?
Aren't most of these shitty human interactions on the roadway captured by dash cams, not phones?
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08-17-2022, 01:11 PM #2266
In the absence of evidence, normally I try to make no assumptions.
btw, I'm not "pretending" if I call it out as an assumption to make no assumption.
Another piece of data is the oncoming car just as the car came up to the peloton while the cyclists were riding side by side.
And this is playing out perfectly.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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08-17-2022, 01:18 PM #2267Registered User
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Any person without an anger issue would have ever so slightly modified their speed and trajectory and went about their day.
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08-17-2022, 01:27 PM #2268
there is evidence of other actions in the video, from editing to actual content
you are welcome to consider those actions and not "make assumptions"
pretending to make no assumptions isn't the high horse you think it is
esp when you making assumptions is evident: maybe watch the vid a few times more - 3 cyclists weaving because two are looking back isn't "riding side by side"
i'm sorry a cyclist slowed you down that time
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08-17-2022, 01:35 PM #2269
Can you be more explicit regarding this "evidence" in the event? I must be missing something.
pretending to make no assumptions isn't the high horse you think it is
esp when you making assumptions is evident: maybe watch the vid a few times more - 3 cyclists weaving because two are looking back isn't "riding side by side"
i'm sorry a cyclist slowed you down that time
This is the best illustration of the dynamic yet.
I'll let this drop now.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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08-17-2022, 01:46 PM #2270
My read based on video evidence and 40 yrs of road cycling:
Motorist honked at cyclists - because that’s what you do for all vehicles moving slower than you, right?
Cyclists promptly moved over - didn’t see/hear words or gestures as car passed but that may have occurred by either side.
Motorist shortly after passing moves to edge of road, blocking cyclists from riding where he wanted them A few moments before. Maybe because words were exchanged on the first pass…
Cyclists say “WTF asshole” and flip off motorist as they pass him back.
Motorist yells something at cyclists who look back, cross wheels and crash
Also - motorist by posting the video, just outed himself on a distracted driving violation.
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08-17-2022, 01:54 PM #2271
one rider in road; two others single file on shoulder
solid yellow is on this direction of travel
honk
road guy starts dropping back to get on shoulder
car passes in opposite direction
rider is on shoulder behind two others
filming vehicle starts passing
empty road ahead
no gesticulating or even turning heads to address honker
3secs have accumulated
what are the entitlements here?
what karma needs to be doled out?
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08-17-2022, 02:15 PM #2272
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08-17-2022, 03:07 PM #2273
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08-17-2022, 04:29 PM #2274Registered User
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I think many people in here are forgetting the thread title. And that a similar, but antithetical thread also exists.
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08-17-2022, 04:44 PM #2275
I said I'd drop it, so allow me recourse.
The only evidence in the video for the gesticulating and possible flipping off is the honk. You can call that an assumption, but it's evidence.
I'll grant that the 3 sec interval was either omitted or edited out, but the absence of evidence leads to no conclusion except by unsupported assumptions skewed to bias.
The reason I posted the video is because it's so unclear what really went on.
The driver could have slowed initially and the smugness of the driver is inappropriate as are the cyclists' gesticulations, each rooted in some form of entitlement.
And I was pretty sure that the argument the video would elicit was exactly how it's transpired.
Cheap shots aside regarding my experience both in the saddle and behind the wheel, I'd hope that the video would have pointed out that we should allow ourselves a little inconvenience and understanding at times.Merde De Glace On the Freak When Ski
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