How to get in good physical shape?

[ntblanks]

Do you mix them with something?

farting

Definitely fartatious.

I make salads with quinoa, bell pepper, cukes, tomatoes, a few olives and artichoke hearts if I have any, and a heap of lentils. Dressing: dijon, olive oil & balsamic. Salt & pepper, a slice of feta, scoop of cottage cheese and maybe 1/2 an avocado. I eat this 3-4 times a week in the warmer months.

Having a pot of lentils in the fridge also makes a good go-to snack when rushing. Seriously, just a few spoons full.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

I’m just glad to learn that it’s not impossible to eat healthy


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[Buster Highmen]

sorry don't buy the food desert thing one of those made up metrics

one case study in denver is a low income place called sun valley mostly projects surrounded by industrial
these people can all walk a mile (exercise?) to get to Federal Blvd which has access to some of the freshest food available in the city
the san luis valley is also listed as a food desert but it is a big agricultural area

The measure is no grocery stores within 1 mile walk or 30 minute drive.
When one has kids or works 2 jobs, it's not that simple.

Not made up, just blows up your leisure town vision.

[teledad]

^^^While I don't disagree in principle about the benefits of Home Ec education, from Buster's cite above https://www.aecf.org/blog/exploring-...s-food-deserts

Certainly cost and availability of food can be an issue for the urban and rural poor, but there are plenty of people in the US who can afford better food and have plenty of access to grocery stores but have shit diets and get little to no exercise. The US adult obesity rate is 42%, the pre-diabetes rate is 35%, the poverty rate is only 11%. We should address problems of food deserts and costs for those in poverty, but also figure out how to convince those who have the means and ability to take steps to improve their own health. Education (particularly early on before habits are entrenched for life) might be part of this. (I'd also be fine with taxing the shit out of sugar, soda, and other things that are unhealthy, but that tends to be politically unpopular.)

[Buster Highmen]

(I'd also be fine with taxing the shit out of sugar, soda, and other things that are unhealthy, but that tends to be politically unpopular.)

socialist!

[XXX-er]

It's pretty bizarre we have an obesity crisis in this country when the solutions are so obvious. Just gotta get the experts from TGR out there and our public health would improve a lot.

Unbelievable ROI.

keep in mind these are the woke( ish ) people

yeah how to combat obesity and live healthy ... its all on the intenet

[TBS]

Certainly cost and availability of food can be an issue for the urban and rural poor, but there are plenty of people in the US who can afford better food and have plenty of access to grocery stores but have shit diets and get little to no exercise. The US adult obesity rate is 42%, the pre-diabetes rate is 35%, the poverty rate is only 11%. We should address problems of food deserts and costs for those in poverty, but also figure out how to convince those who have the means and ability to take steps to improve their own health. Education (particularly early on before habits are entrenched for life) might be part of this. (I'd also be fine with taxing the shit out of sugar, soda, and other things that are unhealthy, but that tends to be politically unpopular.)

No disagreement. Like I said earlier, ending subsidies for corn production (sugar beets too) would be another good step.

[spanghew]

The measure is no grocery stores within 1 mile walk or 30 minute drive.
When one has kids or works 2 jobs, it's not that simple.

Not made up, just blows up your leisure town vision.

but fastfred doesn't buy it. That means it has to be false. what seems to be the problem? He found an example that convinces him it's all a liberal hoax. Have another Snickers, fastfred.

[californiagrown]

but fastfred doesn't buy it. That means it has to be false. what seems to be the problem? He found an example that convinces him it's all a liberal hoax. Have another Snickers, fastfred.

I think the point he was making is that food deserts are usually in fairly rural areas, or the hood, and even there one "just" has to put forth extra effort to source healthy foods- its not truly unavailable. Meaning that only a small percentage of the obese fattyfatfats in this country can use that as an excuse to eat like shit. Basically, yes, food deserts, money/time issues, and access to healthy food is a legit problem for a ton of people... but still doesnt come close to accounting for the 150million obese in this country.

The problems in this country at least, stem from it being so commonplace to choose unhealthy, high calorie food options OVER the just as accessible and similarly priced healthy options simply because fat, salt and sugar are more addictive and people have grown accustomed to that kind of diet. It always shocks me when i travel internationally and americans i'm with or see around me will legit seek out a McDonalds or Burger king, or want to eat dinner at a place with burgers and chicken tenders. Same thing happens when i travel with clients or coworkers domestically- we will get off the plane, go straight to a series of meetings and then out to dinner where they will order 2000kCals of fried food and sugary cocktails... and i get made fun of for ordering a side salad with my burger instead of onion rings or fries. Its a cultural issue here, the accessibility issue is small potatoes comparatively.

[fastfred]

but fastfred doesn't buy it. That means it has to be false. what seems to be the problem? He found an example that convinces him it's all a liberal hoax. Have another Snickers, fastfred.

haven't had a candy bar in years or a soda, everyone once in awhile I crave a soda but I"ve seen what it does to cast iron pipes, not pretty so we think its ok to put that in our bodies?
only five hours on the bike this weekend, not too bad considering it's november now
going skiing today how about you?

everyone has their own personal responsibility you can either exercise and eat right or not
if you choose to fill your body with shit you goto the hospital get the medical attention people crave and given a handful of pills to take every day to offset not exercising and not eating right
the choice is yours in america it's an awesome amount of freedom

the choice not to grow and can your own food if you live in a rural area is laziness
the choice not to walk or take the bus to where fresh food is accessible to purchase is laziness

[old_newguy]

The problem with the “personal responsibility” narrative with obesity is that there is more and more evidence from a scientific perspective that once you get fat you are fighting biology to get the weight off.

So it’s important we tackle this issue early (age) and broadly (policy).

[spanghew]

haven't had a candy bar in years or a soda, everyone once in awhile I crave a soda but I"ve seen what it does to cast iron pipes, not pretty so we think its ok to put that in our bodies?
only five hours on the bike this weekend, not too bad considering it's november now
going skiing today how about you?

everyone has their own personal responsibility you can either exercise and eat right or not
if you choose to fill your body with shit you goto the hospital get the medical attention people crave and given a handful of pills to take every day to offset not exercising and not eating right
the choice is yours in america it's an awesome amount of freedom

the choice not to grow and can your own food if you live in a rural area is laziness
the choice not to walk or take the bus to where fresh food is accessible to purchase is laziness

Hooray for bootstraps. Keep yanking.

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[fastfred]

seriously
need to go out and plug my van in, suns not out and I like to keep it warm in there even though its parked in my driveway

[josef]

^^^While I don't disagree in principle about the benefits of Home Ec education, from Buster's cite above https://www.aecf.org/blog/exploring-...s-food-deserts

Your link didn’t work for me so I can’t see the details. $1.25 is about 10 minutes for work at minimum wage. I don’t know how insurmountable that is.

[californiagrown]

Your link didn’t work for me so I can’t see the details. $1.25 is about 10 minutes for work at minimum wage. I don’t know how insurmountable that is.

$1.25 extra for what? Equivalent calories but healthy? Or just average per meal (irrespective of calories)?

[Buster Highmen]

the choice not to grow and can your own food if you live in a rural area is laziness
the choice not to walk or take the bus to where fresh food is accessible to purchase is laziness

Hey, the choice not to acknowledge someone else's situation is assholishness.

I'm not saying that for most people there isn't a choice and lots of bad choices are made, encouraged by agribusiness and fast food nation, but for significant blighted urban areas like Detroit, Gary, Bayonne, there are millions of people for whom easy access to healthy food is not simple.

[::: :::]

Lotta privileged self-blinders in here keeping the bootstrapping myth in place

Not surprising really — this community isn’t really exposed to it. It’s hard to understand experiences you don’t live. That’s not a dig at anyone here, just a statement of human experience. Empathy extends easily for those we know & comes up short for those we don’t. I’m subject to it; we all are. But, those posting here are smart enough to know that we can all do better in that regard...

[Buster Highmen]

Lotta privileged self-blinders in here keeping the bootstrapping myth in place

Not surprising really — this community isn’t really exposed to it. It’s hard to understand experiences you don’t live. That’s not a dig at anyone here, just a statement of human experience. Empathy extends easily for those we know & comes up short for those we don’t. I’m subject to it; we all are. But, those posting here are smart enough to know that we can all do better in that regard...

You're right, I should have more compassion for the privileged.

[spanghew]

I think the point he was making is that food deserts are usually in fairly rural areas, or the hood, and even there one "just" has to put forth extra effort to source healthy foods- its not truly unavailable. Meaning that only a small percentage of the obese fattyfatfats in this country can use that as an excuse to eat like shit. Basically, yes, food deserts, money/time issues, and access to healthy food is a legit problem for a ton of people... but still doesnt come close to accounting for the 150million obese in this country.

The problems in this country at least, stem from it being so commonplace to choose unhealthy, high calorie food options OVER the just as accessible and similarly priced healthy options simply because fat, salt and sugar are more addictive and people have grown accustomed to that kind of diet. It always shocks me when i travel internationally and americans i'm with or see around me will legit seek out a McDonalds or Burger king, or want to eat dinner at a place with burgers and chicken tenders. Same thing happens when i travel with clients or coworkers domestically- we will get off the plane, go straight to a series of meetings and then out to dinner where they will order 2000kCals of fried food and sugary cocktails... and i get made fun of for ordering a side salad with my burger instead of onion rings or fries. Its a cultural issue here, the accessibility issue is small potatoes comparatively.

Simply denying food deserts exist or supplying a personal anecdote does not in any way engage with the actual data. You dismiss what you would prefer not to believe.

Your bootstrap[s must be plugging your ears: there is plenty of information out there that contradicts your preferred narrative. Or maybe just watch Mr. Magoo's Xmas Carol next month . . .

[BFD]

sorry don't buy the food desert thing one of those made up metrics

one case study in denver is a low income place called sun valley mostly projects surrounded by industrial
these people can all walk a mile (exercise?) to get to Federal Blvd which has access to some of the freshest food available in the city
the san luis valley is also listed as a food desert but it is a big agricultural area

I can get two packs of oreos for $1, The San luis valley is an oasis. Love it here.

[hutash]

haven't had a candy bar in years or a soda, everyone once in awhile I crave a soda but I"ve seen what it does to cast iron pipes, not pretty so we think its ok to put that in our bodies?

Well, that explains a lot, you are just a metal bot posting here.

who gives a fuck about what soda does to cast iron pipes? last I checked I had no cast iron in my body...mercury? maybe.

[californiagrown]

Simply denying food deserts exist or supplying a personal anecdote does not in any way engage with the actual data. You dismiss what you would prefer not to believe.

Your bootstrap[s must be plugging your ears: there is plenty of information out there that contradicts your preferred narrative. Or maybe just watch Mr. Magoo's Xmas Carol next month . . .

What's my preferred narrative? I agree that food deserts exist and prevent millions from healthy eating (obviously nuance there, but on the whole true). But that doesnt account for the large majority of obese people in america when 19 million live in food deserts and there are 150 million obese people. Food deserts are A problem, but they are not THE problem.

[Buster Highmen]

Back on track; with covid, I'm freaked about going to the gym to workout any more.

So it's just been the usual stuff around home: push mowing the lawn, the 20 minute to hour long bike rides, walking a couple of miles after dinner and now leg blasters, wall sits and planks. Building the #dreamshack brings the sweat too.

Foodwise, I minimize wheat products, do oatmeal every morning sometimes followed by a little protein like smoked salmon or charcuterie. Skip lunch if I can and minimize carbs at dinner, with some form of fish, chicken or red meat 5 days a week with a couple days of veggies only.

I'm blimping out more than I want to, likely because the old metabolism is slowing and I need to do my 1+ bike loop more often.

[Dantheman]

The problem with the “personal responsibility” narrative with obesity is that there is more and more evidence from a scientific perspective that once you get fat you are fighting biology to get the weight off.

So it’s important we tackle this issue early (age) and broadly (policy).

There's a reason they don't make The Biggest Loser anymore: https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ht-is-back-up/

"Hidden" sugar is really interesting. I don't have the citations handy, but if you take subjects and completely numb their mouth with lidocaine solution so that they cannot taste anything, then give them ad libitum access to isocaloric beverages that do or do not contain sugar, they will consume more of the one with sugar in it. The reason seems to be that you have receptors in your digestive tract that can detect sugar and stimulating them increases appetite independent of whether something tastes sweet or not.

The third leg of the obesity crisis is seed oil consumption, which is also in just about everything processed.

[californiagrown]

There's a reason they don't make The Biggest Loser anymore

Also known as "Squid Game for the Morbidly Obese"