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    so I'm an asshole w no compassion for the rest of the worlds plight

    That's cool

    My health sucks and I wouldn't wish it on anyone going to the dr office is always an agonizing mess of bad news having your body fall apart on you and you have no control is awesome but I do the best I can every day which includes exercise and eating right

    sure I could give up eat handfuls of pills every day get fat and accept my shitty future

    I hate fat people I hate people who abuse their bodies w shit food drugs and alcohol

    What else do you want to know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_newguy View Post
    The problem with the “personal responsibility” narrative with obesity is that there is more and more evidence from a scientific perspective that once you get fat you are fighting biology to get the weight off.

    So it’s important we tackle this issue early (age) and broadly (policy).
    Keeping kids from getting fat in the first place is incredibly important, but on the 'policy' side, remember that we're partly in this mess because government panels decided we need 8 servings of refined flour every day but butter is bad and should be replaced with refined seed oils.
    "High risers are for people with fused ankles, jongs and dudes who are too fat to see their dick or touch their toes.
    Prove me wrong."
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    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    Keeping kids from getting fat in the first place is incredibly important, but on the 'policy' side, remember that we're partly in this mess because government panels decided we need 8 servings of refined flour every day but butter is bad and should be replaced with refined seed oils.
    Very true

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    How to get in good physical shape?

    I remember as a kid growing up on the coast of Massachusetts we were all bones and tendons, the fat kid was the one fat kid. We never drank soda or sugared cereal. Water, milk and Cheerios, tuna sandwiches and lots of fish for dinner. I’m still a string bean.
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    I’ve been undergoing a major body renovation during the offseason

    In April I got diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes. When I stopped racing bicycles (amateur cat 3-4mon road, sport in MtB) at 41, I didn’t adjust my diet. Went from 175lb to as high as 250 over the next 25 years. Stayed active on skis & bikes, but work travel & family reduced both frequency and intensity - a lot.

    So my new doc - an aging amateur bike racer herself - sez “you have two choices. Keep doing like you have and slowly die as you go blind, your connective tissue falls apart and we have to cut off your extremities.

    “Or make a big change in your diet and keep riding & skiing. Buy this book
    http://https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07...ef=KC_GS_GB_US
    and be prepared to give me a book report next week”

    OK, I think I’ll take “big change in diet” for $1000…

    She also hooked me up with a diabetes specialist here with Type 1, skis (well, snowboards) and was a div1 basketball & track athlete. She was one of Ashton Eaton’s coaches.

    Switched up from carb-heavy to carb light. Since May I’ve averaged about 1900 cals and 150g of carbs per day. Two beers, maybe six shots of tequila (no carbs!) to drink, otherwise it’s coffee or water. Stevia as a sweetener - no sugar, honey, agave,etc.

    It’s been interesting un/relearning everything I thought I knew about nutrition. Also interesting to check blood sugar a couple of times a day against food and exercise.

    Daily exercise has alternated between 1.5-2 hrs of singletrack and 3 hours of hike/wade fly fishing. Just started with weighted squats, lunges and balance stuff now that it’s been 37* and raining for the last four days.

    Went from 235lbs in April to 200 now (6’0”). A1c dropped from 6.6 in April to 6.2 last month. Triglycerides and ldl dropped by half. Doc thinks I can get A1c below 6.0 by next summer. Riding way faster and knees are less sore.

    Looking forward to a 100 day season. Viva La Niña baby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    I’ve been undergoing a major body renovation during the offseason

    In April I got diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes. When I stopped racing bicycles (amateur cat 3-4mon road, sport in MtB) at 41, I didn’t adjust my diet. Went from 175lb to as high as 250 over the next 25 years. Stayed active on skis & bikes, but work travel & family reduced both frequency and intensity - a lot.

    So my new doc - an aging amateur bike racer herself - sez “you have two choices. Keep doing like you have and slowly die as you go blind, your connective tissue falls apart and we have to cut off your extremities.

    “Or make a big change in your diet and keep riding & skiing. Buy this book
    http://https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07...ef=KC_GS_GB_US
    and be prepared to give me a book report next week”

    OK, I think I’ll take “big change in diet” for $1000…

    She also hooked me up with a diabetes specialist here with Type 1, skis (well, snowboards) and was a div1 basketball & track athlete. She was one of Ashton Eaton’s coaches.

    Switched up from carb-heavy to carb light. Since May I’ve averaged about 1900 cals and 150g of carbs per day. Two beers, maybe six shots of tequila (no carbs!) to drink, otherwise it’s coffee or water. Stevia as a sweetener - no sugar, honey, agave,etc.

    It’s been interesting un/relearning everything I thought I knew about nutrition. Also interesting to check blood sugar a couple of times a day against food and exercise.

    Daily exercise has alternated between 1.5-2 hrs of singletrack and 3 hours of hike/wade fly fishing. Just started with weighted squats, lunges and balance stuff now that it’s been 37* and raining for the last four days.

    Went from 235lbs in April to 200 now (6’0”). A1c dropped from 6.6 in April to 6.2 last month. Triglycerides and ldl dropped by half. Doc thinks I can get A1c below 6.0 by next summer. Riding way faster and knees are less sore.

    Looking forward to a 100 day season. Viva La Niña baby!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    Two beers, maybe six shots of tequila (no carbs!)
    y!
    What kind of doctor approved of a daily 8 drink regimen? Dr Jose Cuervo?
    ride bikes, climb, ski, travel, cook, work to fund former, repeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    Back on track; with covid, I'm freaked about going to the gym to workout any more.

    So it's just been the usual stuff around home: push mowing the lawn, the 20 minute to hour long bike rides, walking a couple of miles after dinner and now leg blasters, wall sits and planks. Building the #dreamshack brings the sweat too.

    Foodwise, I minimize wheat products, do oatmeal every morning sometimes followed by a little protein like smoked salmon or charcuterie. Skip lunch if I can and minimize carbs at dinner, with some form of fish, chicken or red meat 5 days a week with a couple days of veggies only.

    I'm blimping out more than I want to, likely because the old metabolism is slowing and I need to do my 1+ bike loop more often.
    Why skip lunch? You need calories (fuel) most during the day for your activities. Skipping lunch will just fuck up your blood sugar.

    You're blimping out because you're doing eating wrong. Eat lunch, for fuck's sake. Don't eat meat 5 days a week. 1 is more than enough. Carbs are not the enemy, especially early in the day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by climberevan View Post
    What kind of doctor approved of a daily 8 drink regimen? Dr Jose Cuervo?
    Not daily - two beers, six tequilas over five months.
    But I’m not much of a drinker anyway.
    No carbs in cannabis bud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    So my new doc - an aging amateur bike racer herself - sez “you have two choices. Keep doing like you have and slowly die as you go blind, your connective tissue falls apart and we have to cut off your extremities.
    She wasn't exaggerating. If anything she downplayed it since she didn't mention kidney failure and dementia. Good on ya. Taking metformin? If not I'd inquire about it. It's cheap, it works, and it has minimal side effects in most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    She wasn't exaggerating. If anything she downplayed it since she didn't mention kidney failure and dementia. Good on ya. Taking metformin? If not I'd inquire about it. It's cheap, it works, and it has minimal side effects in most people.
    And you lose weight on it

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    Quote Originally Posted by climberevan View Post
    Why skip lunch? You need calories (fuel) most during the day for your activities. Skipping lunch will just fuck up your blood sugar.
    Stored body fat is a completely adequate fuel source, and no blood sugar concerns unless you're a T1D.

    Eat meat at least 7 days per week.
    FTFY
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    Looking back over the last couple pages about nutrition — It really is commitment to eating healthy and portion control. You can’t take it upon your self to try to change other people’s diet or lifestyle.

    Everyone knows smoking is bad but a lot of people still do it. People know that binge drinking is detrimental but still do it, and people know that eating garbage is bad too.

    Don’t underestimate the power of mouth pleasure. You can talk to people all about nutrition but certain people have no intention whatsoever of declining the double qtr pounder with cheese, large fry, and 32 oz Dr. Pepper.

    I live in the south and there is a lot of obesity. There’s also a ton of good healthy food available. No food shortage, or even many “food deserts”.

    It’s all personal choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    I’ve been undergoing a major body renovation during the offseason

    In April I got diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes. When I stopped racing bicycles (amateur cat 3-4mon road, sport in MtB) at 41, I didn’t adjust my diet. Went from 175lb to as high as 250 over the next 25 years. Stayed active on skis & bikes, but work travel & family reduced both frequency and intensity - a lot.

    So my new doc - an aging amateur bike racer herself - sez “you have two choices. Keep doing like you have and slowly die as you go blind, your connective tissue falls apart and we have to cut off your extremities.

    “Or make a big change in your diet and keep riding & skiing. Buy this book
    http://https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07...ef=KC_GS_GB_US
    and be prepared to give me a book report next week”

    OK, I think I’ll take “big change in diet” for $1000…

    She also hooked me up with a diabetes specialist here with Type 1, skis (well, snowboards) and was a div1 basketball & track athlete. She was one of Ashton Eaton’s coaches.

    Switched up from carb-heavy to carb light. Since May I’ve averaged about 1900 cals and 150g of carbs per day. Two beers, maybe six shots of tequila (no carbs!) to drink, otherwise it’s coffee or water. Stevia as a sweetener - no sugar, honey, agave,etc.

    It’s been interesting un/relearning everything I thought I knew about nutrition. Also interesting to check blood sugar a couple of times a day against food and exercise.

    Daily exercise has alternated between 1.5-2 hrs of singletrack and 3 hours of hike/wade fly fishing. Just started with weighted squats, lunges and balance stuff now that it’s been 37* and raining for the last four days.

    Went from 235lbs in April to 200 now (6’0”). A1c dropped from 6.6 in April to 6.2 last month. Triglycerides and ldl dropped by half. Doc thinks I can get A1c below 6.0 by next summer. Riding way faster and knees are less sore.

    Looking forward to a 100 day season. Viva La Niña baby!
    That’s awesome! What book is it? The link doesn’t work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    Stored body fat is a completely adequate fuel source, and no blood sugar concerns unless you're a T1D.
    This is correct, but if you're going to skip a meal it should be breakfast or dinner. Eating breakfast, skipping lunch, then eating dinner is kind of the worst of the 3 squares/IF worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    This is correct, but if you're going to skip a meal it should be breakfast or dinner. Eating breakfast, skipping lunch, then eating dinner is kind of the worst of the 3 squares/IF worlds.
    If it's a simple decision to make then I'd say yes lunch is probably the last you should choose to skip, skipping dinner is best for body comp and fat loss but hardest socially and sleep-wise, skipping breakfast is easiest for adherence, but just me for example, I usually work out in the morning and so have a big breakfast, and have dinner with my family, if I'm at work I just usually don't bring lunch, drink too much coffee, and don't get hungry until dinner and it's easier than packing a lunch. If someone needing to lose weight can skip a meal, any meal, without getting ravenous and eating way too much later, then great.

    And I'm one of the rare people who think IF and keeping insulin low are great but that it also still comes down to simple thermodynamics so ��
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    She wasn't exaggerating. If anything she downplayed it since she didn't mention kidney failure and dementia. Good on ya. Taking metformin? If not I'd inquire about it. It's cheap, it works, and it has minimal side effects in most people.
    Oh yea, theres a veritable parade of horrible outcomes. Sad thing is she was the first doc to give me the “listen up pendejo, this is serious shit” speech.

    Metformin 1500mg time release once per day with a b-complex vitamin. No side effects but my gut is made of 316 stainless.

    Fung’s book was a real eye opener.

    Doc will hook me up to a continuous glucose monitor in January so we can see how to dial in food intake while skiing. Will be interesting.

    Ski day AM eating in years past was 1 cup (dry) cooked oatmeal with 1/2 cup honey and cup of raw blueberries. Followed two hours later with a canna-brownie and two hours after that with a snickers bar (counteract the sugar crash)

    carb loading FTMFW!
    Or not…

    Now i’m looking at an omelette with black beans & salsa first thing, then some overnight oatmeal with stevia and blueberries 30 min before lifts open. Low GI and Resistant Starch!

    Oh, anybody got a good method for making canna-gummies? Or should I just put coconut canna-oil in my oatmeal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    If someone needing to lose weight can skip a meal, any meal, without getting ravenous and eating way too much later, then great.
    Agreed. Overeating due to skipping a meal is also a bit of a myth. I'm sure it happens for some people sometimes, but most of the time people don't eat >2x normal calories at the next meal. In studies of alternate-day fasting (no eating every other day) people only tend to eat about 10% more on the feed days. Bottom line is that under most circumstances meal skipping reduces caloric intake.

    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    And I'm one of the rare people who think IF and keeping insulin low are great but that it also still comes down to simple thermodynamics so ��
    I'm on the See Food diet most of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    This is correct, but if you're going to skip a meal it should be breakfast or dinner. Eating breakfast, skipping lunch, then eating dinner is kind of the worst of the 3 squares/IF worlds.
    This flies in the face of what I've read - that skipping breakfast is the worst option.
    I used to do that, but now try to eat breakfast with some protein, then I'm not hungry until 5 pm. Maybe I'm remembering something that's now out of date?

    As mentioned, for dinner we eat some type of animal 4-5x a week with two veggie meals the other days, minimized carbo's, no wheat, only rice/quinoa/rarely potato.
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    ^yes, i actually prefer to skip breakfast many mornings and eat an early lunch, but have been trying to make sure I eat breakfast because I read the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    This flies in the face of what I've read - that skipping breakfast is the worst option.
    I used to do that, but now try to eat breakfast with some protein, then I'm not hungry until 5 pm. Maybe I'm remembering something that's now out of date?
    According to Dr. Satchin Panda, who seems to be the top authority on this subject currently, your feeding window should never, ever be more than 12 hours, and 8 hours or less is better, ideally starting between 10-11 am and ending 4-6 pm. I lean more toward the 12-hr end of things, but only because I'm active enough that I find it really hard to get in enough calories in 8 hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rod9301 View Post
    And you lose weight on it
    Numbers I’ve seen are 4-7 lbs lost due to metformin

    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    Stored body fat is a completely adequate fuel source, and no blood sugar concerns unless you're a T1D.
    My understanding is you need to keep the effort at ~60% of vo2 max to burn fat. So if you want to maintain a high effort, you gotta keep the carbs flowing.
    Correct me if I’m wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    That’s awesome! What book is it? The link doesn’t work.
    The Diabetes Code. Jason Fung
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    Note - I don’t do the fasting stuff and I’m not as much of a carb nazi.

    Although Fung’s recommendations about fasting kind of dovetail with what Panda sez above…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    There's a reason they don't make The Biggest Loser anymore: https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ht-is-back-up/

    "Hidden" sugar is really interesting. I don't have the citations handy, but if you take subjects and completely numb their mouth with lidocaine solution so that they cannot taste anything, then give them ad libitum access to isocaloric beverages that do or do not contain sugar, they will consume more of the one with sugar in it. The reason seems to be that you have receptors in your digestive tract that can detect sugar and stimulating them increases appetite independent of whether something tastes sweet or not.

    The third leg of the obesity crisis is seed oil consumption, which is also in just about everything processed.
    Quote Originally Posted by bean View Post
    Keeping kids from getting fat in the first place is incredibly important, but on the 'policy' side, remember that we're partly in this mess because government panels decided we need 8 servings of refined flour every day but butter is bad and should be replaced with refined seed oils.
    I assume seed oils include, or are mainly related to, corn and HFCS?

    Quote Originally Posted by Buster Highmen View Post
    This flies in the face of what I've read - that skipping breakfast is the worst option.
    I used to do that, but now try to eat breakfast with some protein, then I'm not hungry until 5 pm. Maybe I'm remembering something that's now out of date?

    As mentioned, for dinner we eat some type of animal 4-5x a week with two veggie meals the other days, minimized carbo's, no wheat, only rice/quinoa/rarely potato.
    I thought the same; skipping breakfast was bad?

    Lately, I've taken to portion control and eating according to activity, and generally listening to my body. So when I'm hungry, I eat. If I'm not, I don't. Much of that has been skipping breakfast because I'm not hungry and finding that I'm not hungry first thing in the morning and can power through all the way until a late lunch, and then skipping dinner. Seems to be working. But maybe I need to rethink that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBS View Post
    Note - I don’t do the fasting stuff and I’m not as much of a carb nazi.
    Stress is extremely toxic. All sorts of gruesome cascading effects from it.

    A donut (or cannabutter garlic bread) every now an again when a craving hits is good for you the same way that a shot of tequila or a glass of wine a night is good for you (its the alcohol relaxing you not the minimal amount of antioxidants).

    A good healthy day is a day with an elevated heartrate during the day, and then a slow heartrate in the evening and at night- usually denotes an active, exercise rich day followed by a relaxing evening and an athletes low resting heartrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig View Post
    I thought the same; skipping breakfast was bad?
    Majoring in the minors. Just focus on eating healthy. Its exceptionally difficult to overeat really healthy food.


    Meal timing, nutrient ordering and timing, and being nuts on with macros can be fun and help someone who already has 90% of their shit dialed, dial in the last 5-10%. But youre gonna see MUCH more benefit from dialing in that first 90%.... like simply making sure your meals are healthy.

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