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  1. #2101
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    They can't even control the South China Sea. Much less dominate Japan or India. They're a regional power boxed in by rivals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    China focused on EVs because they lack domestic energy supplies. It's geopolitical statecraft; they dgaf about the environment.
    it's also easier for your nascent industry to leapfrog rivals with "disruptive" technology - and China is about owning industrial production & design

    the china factory is there because it can prolong the growth narrative with the least potential outside oversight. elon can post fraudulent pictures and status updates and nobody is there to say it's bullshit. narrative control is key to the tesla "story" which is key to the tesla stock price and the stock price is the only thing that matters.

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    This thread is kind of a bummer.

    China's gonna bomb us for the Great Lakes?
    I still call it The Jake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    This thread is kind of a bummer.

    China's gonna bomb us for the Great Lakes?
    No. Arizona is going to bomb Michigan for that.

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    Someone should warn Detroit.
    I still call it The Jake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    This thread is kind of a bummer.
    like finding out santa isn't real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dunfree View Post
    like finding out santa isn't real.
    Wait,

    What?
    I still call it The Jake.

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    Yup. And those tits you were admiring last night? Fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Well, they certainly don't seem to care about the quality of air in so many places with so many coal fired plants running hard to charge the things. But then again, give us a few more years of this EPA, and they'll be choking up junk in many places in America soon, but Iron Man will be so proud that more of his upper class toys will be on the road, as he prepares for his escape to Mars.
    Yeah, but it's the clean coal...beautiful clean coal.

    But yeah, China has invested in solar farms as well.

    I am in no way a proponent of China, just saying. From a business perspective, it's probably not a bad idea for Tesla to go into the largest market in the world.

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    can't wait to be able to put those cool Tesla solar roof tiles on my cabin

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    Quote Originally Posted by BmillsSkier View Post
    Someone should warn Flint.
    FIFY

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    The Model 3 seems to be doing pretty well against the competition.

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    tesla-loses-model-3-order-rental-company-service-quality-issues/

    Tesla has lost a major $5 million order of 85 Model 3 vehicles from a rental company over problems with service and quality of previously delivered cars.



    Germany-based all-electric rental car company nextmove ordered 100 Tesla Model 3 vehicles to add their fleet last year.

    After taking delivery of the first 15 cars earlier this year, the company experienced so many issues that they came back to Tesla wanting a guarantee of quality and service for the remaining 85 cars on the order, which was apparently worth around 5 million euros.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel View Post
    tesla-loses-model-3-order-rental-company-service-quality-issues/

    Tesla has lost a major $5 million order of 85 Model 3 vehicles from a rental company over problems with service and quality of previously delivered cars.



    Germany-based all-electric rental car company nextmove ordered 100 Tesla Model 3 vehicles to add their fleet last year.

    After taking delivery of the first 15 cars earlier this year, the company experienced so many issues that they came back to Tesla wanting a guarantee of quality and service for the remaining 85 cars on the order, which was apparently worth around 5 million euros.
    Clearly there is an emerging market for electric cars, not just Tesla but they're the ones pushing it, so why the fuck can't the biggies in Detroit get their shit together and start producing these things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    Clearly there is an emerging market for electric cars, not just Tesla but they're the ones pushing it, so why the fuck can't the biggies in Detroit get their shit together and start producing these things?
    Cause 'murica wants SUVs and making those monsters with any real range is a big issue. Then retooling all the factories.

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    Just a quick search and Ford came in around 4 billion in profit and Chevy upwards of 8 billion. Maybe if they focused on a 10yr plan instead of next quarter, going electric might make sense. Or just buy Rivian or Tesla. The Chinese are going to be leaders in this market if we don't wake up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    Just a quick search and Ford came in around 4 billion in profit and Chevy upwards of 8 billion. Maybe if they focused on a 10yr plan instead of next quarter, going electric might make sense. Or just buy Rivian or Tesla. The Chinese are going to be leaders in this market if we don't wake up.
    Ford has a handful of that cash for Rivian.. who's supposed to be doing a bunch of design for them... I'll look for the article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grskier View Post
    Ford has a handful of that cash for Rivian.. who's supposed to be doing a bunch of design for them... I'll look for the article.
    ETA...
    Here is a recent one

    https://www.greencarreports.com/news...d-electric-suv

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    Quote Originally Posted by grskier View Post
    nice!

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    Jaguar electric car is offering $15k discount, then subtract the 7500 gov. credit and it's 22,500 off, selling for $47,995. CA gives another 2500 off. Colorado gives another $5k off. 0-60 mph time of 4.5 seconds, similar to a Model 3 dual motor. Only 234 miles range, but that's more than enough for daily driving.

    I bet it still won't sell well in the US, but I can't really explain why. I think people need to test drive it, because once you drive a car that was instant torque/acceleration at almost any speed and when you feel how the blood rushes towards the back of your head when you floor it, you realize the potential of how fun a car like this is. Use the spouses SUV for road trips and hauling shit to the mountains, and you are covered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    Clearly there is an emerging market for electric cars, not just Tesla but they're the ones pushing it, so why the fuck can't the biggies in Detroit get their shit together and start producing these things?
    Likely something to do with profits and losses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    Clearly there is an emerging market for electric cars, not just Tesla but they're the ones pushing it, so why the fuck can't the biggies in Detroit get their shit together and start producing these things?
    Because nobody wants one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bromontane View Post
    Likely something to do with profits and losses.
    short-sighted

    Quote Originally Posted by Benny Profane View Post
    Because nobody wants one?
    Huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post


    Huh?
    Damn, I can't get me one of those dang Tesla Eeelectric cars, so, I'll just buy this super big tricked out pickup truck instead.

    If everyone wanted an electric car, how come they aren't at least driving hybrids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackstraw View Post
    short-sighted
    Maybe. Or maybe they're right. You know China subsidizes EVs as a form of geopolitical strategy, right? It's not because they're green or more efficient.

    When it comes to enterprise planning, unit economics > liberal catnip.

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