Elon Musk: Smartest Guy in The World or Complete Clown?

**4matic** · 04-26-2018, 05:47 PM

Steve Jobs was not a scientist.

**Skidog** · 04-26-2018, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

Steve Jobs was not a scientist.

Neither is Elon Musk. Your point?

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**4matic** · 04-27-2018, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Skidog

Neither is Elon Musk. Your point?

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Musk graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Physics, as well as a Bachelor of Arts in Economics from the Wharton School. The two majors speak to the direction Musk’s career would take later, but it was physics that made the deepest impression on his thinking.

“(Physics is) a good framework for thinking,” he’d later say. “Boil things down to their fundamental truths and reason up from there.”

Musk was 24 years old when he moved to California to pursue a PhD in applied physics at Stanford University.

**Skidog** · 04-27-2018, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

Musk graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Physics, as well as a Bachelor of Arts in Economics from the Wharton School. The two majors speak to the direction Musk’s career would take later, but it was physics that made the deepest impression on his thinking.

“(Physics is) a good framework for thinking,” he’d later say. “Boil things down to their fundamental truths and reason up from there.”

Musk was 24 years old when he moved to California to pursue a PhD in applied physics at Stanford University.

Says engineer anywhere I can find.

Dont know where this wiki gets it's info..Stanford was 2 whole days

Edit sorry does say wharton econ, and some other upenn college for physics, but didn't get a PhD and still states engineer as his "title"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

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**4matic** · 04-27-2018, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Skidog

Says engineer anywhere I can find.

So you really have no idea what a scientist is or does.

**Skidog** · 04-27-2018, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

So you really have no idea what a scientist is or does.

Well engineers and scientists can have crossover but are hardly mutually exclusive. I just went by the wiki saying "engineer" my bad...

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**Skidog** · 04-27-2018, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

So you really have no idea what a scientist is or does.

I guess I might ask if you think Elon would call himself a scientist? Sure bachelor's in physics, but does that really mean "scientist"? Sure I guess technically, though double major. He was a coder at heart, and apparently has a knack and interest in physics. Gave up the phd pretty fast when code and a great idea came along. Very smart man no question.

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**4matic** · 04-27-2018, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by Skidog

I guess I might ask if you think Elon would call himself a scientist? Sure bachelor's in physics, but does that really mean "scientist"? Sure I guess technically, though double major. He was a coder at heart, and apparently has a knack and interest in physics. Gave up the phd pretty fast when code and a great idea came along. Very smart man no question.

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What is your trade or expertise? Have you spent any time around technology businesses?

Software development is science.

Honestly, I don’t think you know what science even is. It sounds like you think it’s white coats and breaker jars.

Is Sergey Brin a scientist?

**Game Over** · 04-27-2018, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

What is your trade or expertise? Have you spent any time around technology businesses?

Software development is science.

Honestly, I don’t think you know what science even is. It sounds like you think it’s white coats and breaker jars.

Is Sergey Brin a scientist?

Software development is an art that requires knowledge of computer science.

Computer science otoh... well that's another discussion.

**4matic** · 04-27-2018, 03:06 PM

Was going to post some software architecture. Which is science. Carry on

**Game Over** · 04-27-2018, 03:12 PM

Yea I get it. It really breaks down to if (or not) one believes that formal science is a real science.

From wiki

"straightly speaking, formal science is not a science. It is a formal logical system with its content targeted at the real things, information and thoughts that we experienced"

Edit-> Posted before your edit.

**iceman** · 04-27-2018, 03:46 PM

Well the solar roofing shingles are stone cold cool but fuggin expensive. Theoretically the math can work most places over the long term, but you gotta be there a long time to get to that point. Like 20 years or more. They might help with resale value though, which would make the math better.

**Skidog** · 04-27-2018, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

What is your trade or expertise? Have you spent any time around technology businesses?

Software development is science.

Honestly, I don’t think you know what science even is. It sounds like you think it’s white coats and breaker jars.

Is Sergey Brin a scientist?

I hardly consider my father a scientist but he's a software designer. I am a sys admin and none of my dev peers would call themselves scientists. Maybe you work with some snooty software guys. And yeah when I think of scientist, like many others I'm sure, first people that come to mind are Einstein's and Tesla's, but you're right technically speaking.

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**iceman** · 04-27-2018, 06:36 PM

I dunno I think you need test tubes to be a scientist. And Bunsen burners. White jackets too.

**reckless toboggan** · 04-27-2018, 08:17 PM

**4matic** · 04-27-2018, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Skidog

I hardly consider my father a scientist but he's a software designer. I am a sys admin and none of my dev peers would call themselves scientists. Maybe you work with some snooty software guys. And yeah when I think of scientist, like many others I'm sure, first people that come to mind are Einstein's and Tesla's, but you're right technically speaking.

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Maybe ask your dad if he thinks Elon Musk qualifies as a Scientist. Musk is a physicist mathematician. Same as Einstein.

**Skidog** · 04-28-2018, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by 4matic

Maybe ask your dad if he thinks Elon Musk qualifies as a Scientist. Musk is a physicist mathematician. Same as Einstein.

Lol same as Einstein....hahahahah. Hardly. dude got a bachelors of science from UPenn that was a double major with business..sure he's smart, but hardly Einstein...they may hold the same degree, but followed a much different path. When musk comes up with something like the theory of relativity instead of just spending money to build cool shit I might call him a scientist. Musk has the "real" scientists doing the work for him. I'm sure it helps that he at least understands it. He has much much smarter people than himself working for him .

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**abraham** · 04-28-2018, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by 4matic

Maybe ask your dad if he thinks Elon Musk qualifies as a Scientist. Musk is a physicist mathematician. Same as Einstein.

Lololol

There's a level of understanding you're missing. Of the people I've known who've spent time with both it had never sounded like there's a legit comparison between the two.

By that logic
Pio = Antonin Scalia

**Skidog** · 04-28-2018, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by abraham

Lololol

There's a level of understanding you're missing. Of the people I've known who've spent time with both it had never sounded like there's a legit comparison between the two.

By that logic
Pio = Antonin Scalia

Least someone gets the difference.

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**4matic** · 04-28-2018, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Skidog

Lol same as Einstein....hahahahah. Hardly. dude got a bachelors of science from UPenn that was a double major with business..sure he's smart, but hardly Einstein...they may hold the same degree, but followed a much different path. When musk comes up with something like the theory of relativity instead of just spending money to build cool shit I might call him a scientist. Musk has the "real" scientists doing the work for him. I'm sure it helps that he at least understands it. He has much much smarter people than himself working for him .

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Originally Posted by abraham

Lololol

There's a level of understanding you're missing. Of the people I've known who've spent time with both it had never sounded like there's a legit comparison between the two.

By that logic
Pio = Antonin Scalia

Let's say Hyperloop works.

**splat** · 04-28-2018, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by 4matic

So you really have no idea what a scientist is or does.

I was at Cape Kennedy on business once and the dude we were meeting with told us his wife put rockets into space stating, "I married a rocket scientist." Based on that, I assume anyone who can send rockets into space, especially people who can bring boosters back down to landing pads simultaneously.... they must be janitors.

Originally Posted by Bromontane

TSLA's CFO mos def a scientist.

In the sense a good car salesman might be?

**wyeaster** · 04-28-2018, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by abraham

Lololol

There's a level of understanding you're missing. Of the people I've known who've spent time with both it had never sounded like there's a legit comparison between the two.

By that logic
Pio = Antonin Scalia

pio is upside down, not six feet under

**Skidog** · 04-28-2018, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

Let's say Hyperloop works.

Did he actually invent it or come up with the idea and task some smart dudes to make it work? We're still talking a big "if" there though.

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**Skidog** · 04-28-2018, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by splat

I was at Cape Kennedy on business once and the dude we were meeting with told us his wife put rockets into space stating, "I married a rocket scientist." Based on that, I assume anyone who can send rockets into space, especially people who can bring boosters back down to landing pads simultaneously.... they must be janitors.

In the sense a good car salesman might be?

Lol the fact that people think musk himself made the plans for the rockets is the funneh. He came up with the idea, tossed a ton of cash at it and made it happen. This does not mean he made the plans for any of those rockets. Id bet that there were/are many scientists that had that idea well before musk..money made it happen. Musk has a lot of money. if you can link to where that is, in fact, the case I'll gladly eat crow.

Bill gates company makes and comes up with a lot of products. Bill gates graduated from no college. Is he a "scientist"? As in computer scientist? He holds no degree, yet invented the operating system in use nearly everywhere.
EDIT here...looks like hyperloop isn't really musks as I guessed. He has the cash though..

https://www.quora.com/Who-invented-t...tual-inventors

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**4matic** · 04-29-2018, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Skidog

Lol the fact that people think musk himself made the plans for the rockets is the funneh.

While you are out sucking the vape pen.

http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/f...loop_alpha.pdf

Anyone can have an idea or theory. It takes real (scientific) skill to put a theory into practical planning.

I suspect Musk white paper is the reason millions are being invested.