More mechanical doping

[TomCrac]

Secret Thermal Camera Footage Allegedly Shows Seven Pro Cyclists Using Illegal Motors In Bikes

http://fittish.deadspin.com/secret-t...pro-1771492666

[kidwoo]

I know 'doping' goes with competitive cycling like chains and brakes but doping is a biological process. This is just cheating with a motor.......but as cyclists they just can't get out of that mindset. Kinda funny.

[jamal]

Not even remotely surprised. I do think it's funny how worked up known cheaters are getting about these. drugs, motors, whatever, same shit as far as I'm concerned.

[jm2e]

x 100000.

The organizations that oversee cycling are more interested in keeping the machine running smoothly. No huge scandals means more money coming in.

Here's a good read about doping in Track & Field. I'm guessing it's an accurate analogue for cycling.

[Conundrum]

I wish the whiny bitches would just take their medicine when caught. But I also think there should be an open class where dudes can juice to the gills and it's not really a good race unless at least one rider's heart explodes.

[TomCrac]

The UCI and other "powers" that be have been ruining pro cycling for long enough. It's really turned in to a shit show. I still enjoy the races but have no confidence that they aren't all cheating. Oh well.

[Eluder]

People cheat at literally everything they can. Not having proper oversight is the real issue here.

[bsavery]

Cyclists will do anything to cheat.

However I'm not convinced with some of the footage. Won't bearing heat up a bit more than the hub surrounding it? Also I can't see how this would be more accurate than the magnetic field detectors the UCI uses.

[jamal]

If the motor isn't running, I don't think there will be much of an electromagnetic field to detect. And there could be some sort of an insulated casing for the motor to shield them?

This image sure makes it look like there is a seat tube motor:

[::: :::]

this image seems to indicate a lot of heat in the seat tube in an odd location


i wonder how many bikes were ID'ed this way in just that race that they didn't show

[edit]
jamal scooped me ^^^
& edit to add the image is from a demonstration ride, not the race

[XXX-er]

Based on the idea cycling is suposed to be human powered the term mechanical doping makes sense to me

[TomCrac]

I do not see me ever getting a bike with electronic shifting.

[Skistack]

If officials wanted to catch riders cheating, seems like it would be pretty easy to detect this shit on an airport-type x-ray machine.

They already have the bikes before each race/stage for the UCI weight limits, just run it through the x-ray after weigh-in.

[ACH]

I do not see me ever getting a bike with electronic shifting.

I said the same thing...
Then I rode a Dura Ace DI2 kit - Next road bike will have DI2
Will stick to cables in the dirt though.

[Dantheman]

I do not see me ever getting a bike with electronic shifting.

Not sure what that has to do with mechanical doping and hidden drive motors.

I said the same thing...
Then I rode a Dura Ace DI2 kit - Next road bike will have DI2
Will stick to cables in the dirt though.

I don't get the Di2 hate. Yes it's expensive, but not absurdly so in the context of XX1, etc., and it works flawlessly. On the very slim chance the battery dies you can just manually put it in whichever gear you want. You certainly can't do that if your shifter cable breaks.

[nickwm21]

Its 2016. Can't they just run the bikes through some sort of xray or ultrasonic imaging thingamajig.

EDIT: skistack said it above...

[Iowagriz]

They do have scanners at some races, but easy to show up with non-motor bike and start the race. Then change bikes in the middle to a motored one. Switch back near the end. Mechanic hides the motored bike, doesn't take it near start/finish. In the meantime, you've had an easy ride in the middle.

[jm2e]

Here's a good read about doping in Track & Field. I'm guessing it's an accurate analogue for cycling.

Um, or, here it is:
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2...s-seoul-games/

[TomCrac]

Not sure what that has to do with mechanical doping and hidden drive motors.



I don't get the Di2 hate. Yes it's expensive, but not absurdly so in the context of XX1, etc., and it works flawlessly. On the very slim chance the battery dies you can just manually put it in whichever gear you want. You certainly can't do that if your shifter cable breaks.

I got no hate for the Di2 or other brands of electronic shifting. I do not care how much it costs either. I have friends that have it and I have tried it. I just see the need for it. People like it, good for them. The beauty, for me, of one of the greatest inventions this planet has ever seen, is that it is mechanical and 100% human powered.

My mechanical Shimano systems have been shifting like a dream for years.

end rant.

[Skistack]

They do have scanners at some races, but easy to show up with non-motor bike and start the race. Then change bikes in the middle to a motored one. Switch back near the end. Mechanic hides the motored bike, doesn't take it near start/finish. In the meantime, you've had an easy ride in the middle.

Epoxy a RFD chip on each frame and log those that pass inspection. On course scanners detect bikes w/o a chip or chips that didn't pass.

The technology is out there if UCI wanted to catch cheaters. It's not rocket surgery.

[Angle Parking]

The TV report in the OP's link is super interesting. The Ryder Hesjedal crash clip, as well as the interview with the Hungarian inventor are very informative. Pretty much a mechanical Doping 101 for those lacking knowledge on the matter (my former self included).

[huckbucket]

Not just frames. There are solutions for wheels too. Did no one but "Angle Parking" read the article? I'm surprised no one is freakin out about magnetic assistance in wheelsets that cost 50K euros. Way easy to fake a puncture and switch a wheel.

[XXX-er]

The TV report in the OP's link is super interesting. The Ryder Hesjedal crash clip, as well as the interview with the Hungarian inventor are very informative. Pretty much a mechanical Doping 101 for those lacking knowledge on the matter (my former self included).

I was asking a certain Coach about the Ryder doping thing and she said well we were all suprised that he didn't get caught sooner ...they all know who is juicing

[TomCrac]

If a doper wins, wouldn't you think that anyone that finishes near the winner would pretty much be doping too?

[Angle Parking]

Not just frames. There are solutions for wheels too. Did no one but "Angle Parking" read the article? I'm surprised no one is freakin out about magnetic assistance in wheelsets that cost 50K euros. Way easy to fake a puncture and switch a wheel.

Sounds like the high end ones are closer to 200k. The magnetic propulsion thing is a very, very cool idea (not the cheating but the idea). It seems like nearly all practical and innovative uses of magnets are inherently cool.

xxx-er - Was wondering what coach would have to say about the Ryder thing.