New Season, New Tires, New Thread

[rideit]

Yes, just got home. As Hamilton said, gonna try and get some PR’s while I have a (very tiny) Altitude advantage!
Then Moab next week or so with Full Trucker and Company.
Let’s do some training rides!

[homemadesalsa]

Yes, just got home. As Hamilton said, gonna try and get some PR’s while I have a (very tiny) Altitude advantage!
Then Moab next week or so with Full Trucker and Company.
Let’s do some training rides!

Sure, when I am back.

In the meantime, anyone have recommendations for racing 2.0-2.2 tires for a 27.5?

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[grskier]

Yes, just got home. As Hamilton said, gonna try and get some PR’s while I have a (very tiny) Altitude advantage!
Then Moab next week or so with Full Trucker and Company.
Let’s do some training rides!

We'll be camping up at lower onion creek 21-24. I'll just be riding Moab Brand Trails with the kids as I'm not to the point rehab wise for any real rides. Should be great out there.

[jamal]

Oh fun more xc tire chat. You've got the "really fast but barely any grip" tires like the aspen, thunder burt, etc, that are good on really smooth hardpack and non technical stuff, and then the "ok these kind of have some traction" tires. Unless you know what you're getting into I'd stick with the latter. A little more tread up front also doesn't really give up any rolling speed. When I swapped a nobby nic for a racing ralph I couldn't find much reason to go back.

Vittoria barzo/mezcal has been good and i'd buy it again, and there's the rekon/rekon race, racing ray/ralph, etc. They're all similar enough that it probably doesn't matter and it depends on pricing and availability. I got the vittorias because they're cheaper than maxxis or fancy schwabes (the performance line tubeless schwalbes are pretty heavy- like 775g for a 29x2.25 racing ralph).

Kenda sabers are the lightest and fastest tires I've used, and I actually liked them. Just have to accept that there's very little traction and be careful around sharp stuff. I give them some credit for a race win a few years ago. They had me thinking about trying aspens, which probably corner better.

Never really liked the ikon or ardent race though.

[carlh]

Holy shit inserts make life harder. Put my new Michelin rockr2 and a new tan us tubeless onto my rear wao union wheel this morning. 20 minutes later it is on but I hear air in a spoke hole so I think I ripped the tape. Hopefully it will be easier after stretching on the rim a few hours when I pull it off and retape

[grinch]

Holy shit inserts make life harder. Put my new Michelin rockr2 and a new tan us tubeless onto my rear wao union wheel this morning. 20 minutes later it is on but I hear air in a spoke hole so I think I ripped the tape. Hopefully it will be easier after stretching on the rim a few hours when I pull it off and retape

I feel your pain. So many oppurtubities for things to go sideways. Ive had that happen a few times. Sometimes its just the valve needs tightened. Hopefully thats all.
Yesterday i put a new tannus liner in my new schalbe big betty super downhill. It took me around 20 minutes as well. I was a little more determined to try a system of installation to make it easier and not use tire levers. One little tiee lever strike can screw the tape. I used 3 rubber ski straps and set the wheel on top of a plastic garbage can. As soon as i got the tire bead on ,directly across from the valve, i put a ski strap on. From there i worked the bead in one direction from the initial ski strap and put another strap(maybe 8-10 spokes from the first strap), then the same the other direction from the initial strap(8-10 spokes). Then back and forth like that working towards the air valve. The last 6 inches the bead is super tight but youll have the straps holding it and won't lose what you've already done. Then i pushed all the installed bead to the center of the rim and that loosens the tension on the bead(less distance to cover). That allowed me to move a ski strap and the tire bead a touch closer to the valve. Dbl checked and pushed the installed bead to the center of the rim again. Stood the wheel on the ground and with 2 hands, at one end of the 5" uninstalled bead , pulled the bead into the rim cavity. After that the remain 3-4" popped in easily. I didnt put soapy water on the inside of the tire bead but that helps. The ski steps and garbage cans are key. I did tape and mount the tire with a tube first and let it sit for a few days aired up before i put the tannus, valve and sealant in. Zero f bombs and thats a rarity for me. Good luck

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[rideit]

That’s a good tip with the ski straps. I am guessing you could also use old-school toe straps as well.
Gonna try this my next go around.
I have always started seating the bead at the valve, (easier to align logos, not have to lift one bead over the valve later) anyone else have .02 on this?
Always open to new techniques.

[grinch]

Ya i was going to go sctounge up toe straps until i thought of the ski straps. Start opposite the valve for the same reason you push the bead to the center. Beads are so tight every mm counts. The valve makes the bead have to cover a longer distance, if you start at the valve.
It was just so nice to go step by step and not have the bead come out only to try and work it back in. No 2 steps forward 1 step backwards thing. Finished after every step worked and it held air perfect. Made my day. Had a great ride after i shook and bounced the wheel and let it sit just to be sure. No hitches in the whole process was rewarding. Glad i took the time and organized my method

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[carlh]

Ski straps worked great. Pulled the tire retaped and attempt 2 with the straps only took like 5 minutes and it is now holding air.

[grinch]

Ski straps worked great. Pulled the tire retaped and attempt 2 with the straps only took like 5 minutes and it is now holding air.

Nice!! Thats great man

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[stuckathuntermtn]

tl;dr version, the e13 tires fuck. Big time. Will type something far more thorough soon.

[joetron]

That’s a good tip with the ski straps. I am guessing you could also use old-school toe straps as well.
Gonna try this my next go around.
I have always started seating the bead at the valve, (easier to align logos, not have to lift one bead over the valve later) anyone else have .02 on this?
Always open to new techniques.

Yep. I start at the valve for tubeless and most other tubed tires. Except for skinny old road 23-28c that are tight. In that case I align logo/stem on first bead, then finish the second bead at the valve so I can push the tube up and out of the way and not risk pinching it. Works well with all toight tubed rim/tire combos


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[J. Barron DeJong]

Yep. I start at the valve for tubeless and most other tubed tires.

I’ve always started tubes at the valves which generally helped tubes from getting pinched, but I thought that with tubeless you normally ended at the valve so that while you’re working the rest of the bead on it’s able to settle into the well in the center of the rim?

If you start at the valve, that section of bead can’t fall into the well and you have to fight it when you’re finishing up the last section.

[GravityDT]

Ahhhh. Fresh Rubber Day! Stoked to see how this combo works out...Assegai 2.5/Dissector 2.4

[stuckathuntermtn]

Does anyone want 2 basically new tires? Maxxis DHF 3C Exo 2.5 WT and a 2.3 Aggressor Exo. Make an offer.

[skaredshtles]

Does anyone want 2 basically new tires? Maxxis DHF 3C Exo 2.5 WT and a 2.3 Aggressor Exo. Make an offer.

EXO?!?

I'll give you about tree fiddy.

[Roxtar]

I’ve always started tubes at the valves which generally helped tubes from getting pinched, but I thought that with tubeless you normally ended at the valve so that while you’re working the rest of the bead on it’s able to settle into the well in the center of the rim?

If you start at the valve, that section of bead can’t fall into the well and you have to fight it when you’re finishing up the last section.

You are correct. First thing we teach a newby bike "tech".

[J. Barron DeJong]

You are correct. First thing we teach a newby bike "tech".

Hey, that’s me! (25 years ago...)

[Roxtar]

Hey, that’s me! (25 years ago...)

Unlike many, you actually learned

[J. Barron DeJong]

Unlike many, you actually learned

Didn’t learn that well. After two years of wrenching I was switched to mostly doing sales.

[Meathelmet]

So, back in the saddle after 2yr hiatus.
Fucked and out of shape.
Sub 10kg Orbea from a friend for almost free.
New fast tyres for XC needed (easy trails, gravel roads, no vert to mention)

Nobby Nicks or Rocket Rons?

Go.

[Phall]

NN is not terribly fast, not terribly slow, I'd go Rockets F/R, if you're riding dirt sidewalks (what i call more mellow, harder packed trails, etc) the Rockets will be fine
if things are loose/wet/can get loose, I'd do NN front, RR rear.

[Andeh]

I got a good ride on the DD MG Dissector, deliberately riding some steep & loose stuff. I would have been sliding around on a DHR (DD MT), so no real negative in that regard, and they hooked up nicely on berms, and pedaled a bit better. I kind of expected this from using them for a month or two last spring, so the main question mark for me remains how fast they wear out. I'm definitely liking the DD casing better than the EXO I previously used - those things had to be run at least 3psi higher and still were squirmy as hell.

A few more rides with the DD/MG Dissector. I'm liking it a lot more than the EXO/MT version (with and without Cushcore) I used last year. The stiffer sidewalls are much needed, and even still I'm getting a bit more flex than I'd like at my normal 22 psi. I'm going to experiment bumping it up 1-2 psi and running Tannus. The MG compound on it makes it way, way grippier on dusty hardpack, while still rolling better than a DD/MT DHR. Durability remains TBD, but after 50 miles it's holding up better than with no chunking yet. I have a theory that for my riding MG might actually last longer than MT, since it's more pliable and therefore less prone to tearing.

[Roxtar]

So, back in the saddle after 2yr hiatus.
Fucked and out of shape.
Sub 10kg Orbea from a friend for almost free.
New fast tyres for XC needed (easy trails, gravel roads, no vert to mention)

Nobby Nicks or Rocket Rons?

Go.

I've been very impressed with the new NN in the super-ground as a rear tire.

[rideit]

I just put on a dh casing Dissector, I’ll give a follow up after this coming weekend in Moab.