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  1. #1201
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    So I've been running 2.3 DHR 2 front / 2.35 Ikon rear on my "XC" bike (Devinci Django 29). I just swapped the front to a 2.6 Specialized Eliminator I had lying around. The 2.35 Ikon is massive and it was driving my OCD a bit nuts to have a higher-volume rear tire than front.

    We got some rain yesterday so the dirt was nice and tacky. I took a lap down our local machine-built flow trail (Bobsled on Fromme), which is running beautifully. I went to pump into a flat corner and next thing I knew I was on my side, no warning. It was the strangest thing. I've ridden the trail many times and it's this sort of flat chicane that you can usually pump the crap out of.

    Riding the rest of the night, I backed it off a bit but felt like I couldn't push the bike in corners the way I'm used to. It felt a bit like having dull skis.

    I'd blame the Ikon, but I have been finding the Ikon to be fairly predictable when paired with the 2.3 DHR 2. My finger is now pointing at the Eliminator and its intermediate knobs.

    I ended up puncturing the Ikon on a rocky trail after (serves me right), so I threw on a 2.3 Specialized Purgatory when I got home. We'll see if the Eliminator/Purgatory combo is any better. But if not, the Eliminator might have to go.

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    Let's say I wanted to cut some knobs on the Eliminator to make it more predictable and open up the channel, what should I cut?

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    i have heard of people cutting down the corner lugs on spec tires cos they are so tall. I basically took the tires off and left them in a pile.
    personally i would get a real front tire and relegate the others to the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
    Let's say I wanted to cut some knobs on the Eliminator to make it more predictable and open up the channel, what should I cut?

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    The little ones closest to the sideknobs.


    Cutting down corner knobs 'because they're too tall?'

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  5. #1205
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    The little ones closest to the sideknobs
    Think it would make a big difference?

    As a start, I’m thinking I’d trim them so the outer edge is in line with the other small knobs.

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    Yeah thats kinda of what i was told. The difference between the tall corner knobs and the significantly shorter intermediates made it vague when coming back out of corners. Almost like a semi slick, which i wouldn't want out front.

  7. #1207
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    Just chiming in to say the Magic Mary in the soft compound is an A+ tire.


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    Quote Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
    Think it would make a big difference?

    As a start, I’m thinking I’d trim them so the outer edge is in line with the other small knobs.
    do you notice a big difference between different kinds of tires? You live in BC which generally has pretty good dirt and delicious fresh cleared loam. Cutting out things to open that channel up won't hurt anything, but will allow the tire to grab more dirt leaned over on brake free hard corners. So 'big' difference? probably not. But 'some difference' I'd say yes. If I had that tire I'd do it. But then again if it were me I would have just bought a butcher.

    Quote Originally Posted by nortonwhis View Post
    Yeah thats kinda of what i was told. The difference between the tall corner knobs and the significantly shorter intermediates made it vague when coming back out of corners. Almost like a semi slick, which i wouldn't want out front.
    That makes very little sense to me on anything but imba built sidewalk trails. But hey maybe that's what they're talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    do you notice a big difference between different kinds of tires? You live in BC which generally has pretty good dirt and delicious fresh cleared loam. Cutting out things to open that channel up won't hurt anything, but will allow the tire to grab more dirt leaned over on brake free hard corners. So 'big' difference? probably not. But 'some difference' I'd say yes. If I had that tire I'd do it. But then again if it were me I would have just bought a butcher. .
    Yeah, I should have bought a Butcher, but with the Assguy being all the rage, I wanted to try something different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
    Yeah, I should have bought a Butcher, but with the Assguy being all the rage, I wanted to try something different.
    Heh. In a few years that ass guy will be about as relevant as the griffon in their lineup.

    Companies release new because it's new not because it's better. It's what keeps tire companies employed.

    I haven't seen one those eliminators in person. It really does like they have bigger/thicker sideknobs than the butchers.
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  11. #1211
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    Quote Originally Posted by grinch View Post
    I’d echo jc on the wild enduro rear. I noticed they rolled faster than the wr2 but I was quite surprised how well I could chuck them down the hill . With those burley edging knobs it gives a lot of confidence throwing them into the corners despite losing that little bit of straight line braking. Has me considering trying a wild enduro front and also a wild enduro rear front and back on the trail bike. They still have waaay more grip than a Schwalbe rock razor(the only other rear specific fast rolling en/dh tire I’ve tried)
    Trigger pulled on a Wild Enduro. Still curious about that Force AM at a tick under 800g (in 27.5 x 2.4 per CRC), but with the WE at the same money as the competition version Force AM, I decided to go less unknown (and maybe more similar to the Trail Boss it replaces?) Thanks for the recs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jono View Post
    Trigger pulled on a Wild Enduro. Still curious about that Force AM at a tick under 800g (in 27.5 x 2.4 per CRC), but with the WE at the same money as the competition version Force AM, I decided to go less unknown (and maybe more similar to the Trail Boss it replaces?) Thanks for the recs!
    Ahh crc 800g , check , could be ok for a trail/bc bike. Tread pattern looks similar if not identical to wild enduro so might give you some perspective with the safe bet enduro first. Also looks the same as the "22" dh tires Sam was running this weekend

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    Got back out on the Eliminator today, this time with Purgatory in back. The Eliminator’s fine. I think it was the Ikon that spun me around backwards when I tried to stand on it in the corner.

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    The high roller 2 front and slaughter dh rear is super good for the loose gnar on the kenai peninsula. I liked the ardent for reasonable weight and fast rolling but it got fucking shredded after like 4 rides.
    But Ellen kicks ass - if she had a beard it would be much more haggard. -Jer

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    Ended up taking advantage of bontrager's unconditional guarantee and returned the 29x2.4 XR3 I'd be testing the past few weeks. It wasn't terrible, but in the end I don't think it was fast enough to justify it's shortcomings. With a larger and/or stiffer casing, softer rubber or bigger side knobs (or some combination of those), I think they'd have a winner on their hands. But as is, it comes up a little short. Tossed a fairly well-worn SE4 on for the weekend and didn't feel that much slower but was much more confidence inspiring. May still try the e13 semi slick or something else fast-ish out back...or may stick with SE4 for drier season and DHR for wetter season.

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    Other than some encounters with mud, I've been really pleased with the Aggressor out back. Running a 2.5" WT in the Double Down casing and not finding it to be a huge penalty over the previous 2.4 DHR2 EXO. Getting away w/ running slightly lower pressure, but it still feels like it rolls faster.

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    I rode some e13s for the second time last week. Holy shit do those things grip!

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    New Season, New Tires, New Thread

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    Looks like a shop in Finale is hoarding all yur Michelinzzz


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    Those particular michelins....they can keep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    Heh. In a few years that ass guy will be about as relevant as the griffon in their lineup.

    Companies release new because it's new not because it's better. It's what keeps tire companies employed.

    I haven't seen one those eliminators in person. It really does like they have bigger/thicker sideknobs than the butchers.
    Spesh is a great example of this.
    Step 1: update Grid with less sidewall support, new stair-pattern side-knob tread to look new and then have to update the compound to harder because you made the knobs shitty.
    Step 2: take advantage of new gap in range to introduce a vowel-free trendy casing BLCK DMND.
    Step 3: sue a small company that can't spell litigious.

    Eliminator side knobs are not bigger. they just look bigger on the 2.3 tires. I recently picked up a 2.3 blck dmnd Butcher for the back and a 2.6 grid for the front. 2.3 knobs look stouter than the 2.6. it is a good enough setup but I really miss their old Grid tires with the old tread/compound.
    now a complete tool

  21. #1221
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    Those particular michelins....they can keep.
    But... but... Wild ENDUROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

  22. #1222
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    Here’s one for the tire thread. The guy who won the BC Bike Race ran dual Maxxis Aspens with XC CushCore with 18-19 psi front and 17-18.5 psi rear. That’s an interesting setup...

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/bike-c...n-element.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by D(C) View Post
    Hereís one for the tire thread. The guy who won the BC Bike Race ran dual Maxxis Aspens with XC CushCore with 18-19 psi front and 17-18.5 psi rear. Thatís an interesting setup...

    https://www.pinkbike.com/news/bike-c...n-element.html
    That guy's setup is weird for a ton of reasons. Higher pressure in front? But then softening the fork? And how is he not rolling that rear tire off the rim?

    But can't really argue with results.

  24. #1224
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    Spesh seems good at fucking up their tire designs once they get a good thing going. Who'd they sue this time?
    No longer stuck.

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    Just an uneducated guess.

  25. #1225
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    Been running cushcore front and rear with DHF Double downs the past few days. Had a local race yesterday which was the first time i've really pushed and noticed the cushcore. Damn its good stuff. really notice a "floating on a magic carpet" type feeling down some rougher high speed chatter. I'm running 23psi rear and 21 front now, no noticable squirm at all (and I hate squirmy tires), send it full gas into a couple of chundery rock sections without hesitation and not even a ping.
    Don't really notice much of a weight penalty either...

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