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    I have no doubt whatsoever this is good life-changing stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    No doubt. Full retard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantheman View Post
    That was tough to read. He's right about the anxiety, depression, hormone balance, adipose tissue, adrenaline, and a lot of physiological claims, but he needs to lay off the curing MS & Cancer bs.

    FWIW, I'm still breathing everyday and still love cold water two years on. I haven't gotten sick in that time either. All in all, I just like how it makes me feel. I genuinely miss cold water when the tap temperature rises above 15C.

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    I strongly believe there is no real evidence for any of this and it's a load of crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    I strongly believe there is no real evidence for any of this and it's a load of crap.
    Ditto. Show me a clinical study that demonstrates its efficacy and I'll buy it. Until then it's snake oil.

    edit: after posting this I did some research and it certainly seems like there is some evidence to support that it does seem to have some validity. So my bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gaijin View Post
    but he needs to lay off the curing MS & Cancer bs.
    There's that, but mostly I found the idea that recruiting a handful of over-the-hill celebrities will lead to mass adoption of the method to be truly bizarre.

    Quote Originally Posted by gaijin View Post
    All in all, I just like how it makes me feel. I genuinely miss cold water when the tap temperature rises above 15C.
    Agreed. During and after a breathing session and/or cold shower you feel fucking amazing. I'm also on a bit of a mission to make my life my workout and cold exposure dovetails with that goal perfectly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki View Post
    I strongly believe there is no real evidence for any of this and it's a load of crap.
    This link that gaijin posted on the previous page is excellent (and written by a PhD): https://www.foundmyfitness.com/reports/cold-stress.pdf

    Scott Carney's interview on the Art of Manliness podcast (also posted previously) is worth a listen: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2017/0...cold-exposure/



    Carney is an investigative journalist who took Wim's class with every intention of exposing the guy as a charlatan (he says that explicitly). He ended up climbing Kilimanjaro with the guy (in 24 hours, without acclimatizing and without developing altitude sickness). Here's Carney's bio:

    Investigative journalist and anthropologist Scott Carney (scottcarney.com) has worked in some of the most dangerous and unlikely corners of the world. His work blends narrative non-fiction with ethnography. Currently, he is a senior fellow at the Schuster Institute for Investigative Journalism and a 2016-17 Scripps Fellow at the Center for Environmental Journalism in Boulder, Colorado. What Doesn’t Kill Us, his most recent book, is a New York Times bestseller; other works include The Red Market and A Death on Diamond Mountain. Carney was a contributing editor at Wired for five years and his writing also appears in Mother Jones, Men’s Journal, Playboy, Foreign Policy, Discover, Outside and Fast Company. His work has been the subject of a variety of radio and television programs, including on NPR and National Geographic TV. In 2015 he founded WordRates, a website that aims to add transparency to the business of journalism with Yelp-esque reviews of magazines and editors. In 2010, he won the Payne Award for Ethics in Journalism for his story “Meet the Parents,” which tracked an international kidnapping-to-adoption ring. Carney has spent extensive time in South Asia and speaks Hindi. He attended Kenyon College and has a masters degree in anthropology from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. He currently lives in Denver, CO


    To be clear, I am all about skepticism in this age of rampant bullshit and misinformation. However, there is abundant scientific evidence that pretty much anything that challenges homeostasis (cold, heat, exercise, altitude, hunger) is good for you. Cold exposure happens to be safer than exposure to extreme heat, has practical benefits for those of us who live in temperate climates and participate in winter sports, and we all shower every day anyways (hopefully!). Focused breathing and mindfulness meditation have well documented physiological and psychological benefits. They are cornerstones of yoga practice.

    Yes, cold is uncomfortable (at first). So is exercise, but that doesn't make it a legit excuse to not exercise. If someone said to you that they don't exercise "Because it's uncomfortable/makes my lungs burn/makes my muscles sore/I'd rather watch Dancing With The Stars" you'd look at them with derision. Replacing "exercise" with "cold" in that statement doesn't magically transform it.
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    #fuckyeahit'scoldoutsideagain

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    I donít see a lot of downside to this so why not try it.

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    Any of the wim hofers still wim hofing? Any progress reports?

    Heard about it a while ago, looked into it recently and figured I'd test out the breathing technique. Results were auspicious at home so stepped it up to employing a similar method doing aerobic exercise. Results were again subjectively auspicious. Did some A/B comparisons while doing my normal workout uphill hike. Hike includes a pretty steep average incline with 4 distinct steeper pitches. Steep part of hike is about 1000 vert feet plus 400 of lower angle terrain to finish.

    Results were: preloaded with a cycle of breathing pre hikes. legs/body/brain felt quite a bit fresher out of the gate, no real warmup period, just felt ready to charge. breath control was maintained during and after longer steep anearobic pitches even when heart rate bumped close to max range. kinda felt like less lactic acid buildup after the interval blasts and quicker recovery from hard efforts. three hikes using mostly wim hofing vs. two 'just breathing' resulted in faster hike times on the WH hikes...not by a lot but notably so and the hikes just felt a bit easier.

    Could all be placebo but the 'feelz' are good and I'll take it. Interesting meditative effect on the mind for strenuous hiking...the breathing requires quite focused discipline to maintain control when the heart rate cranks up...and that really reeled in the mind to the moment; foot placements, balance and breathing.

    Based on these subjective results, going forward it'll be interesting to design a test scenario and get some hard numbers.

    Also, really curious how things translate to ski touring uphill and downhill ski runs...for downhillz, can a guy pound more moguls on a zipper line before gassing out? More jump turns down that 3000 foot, 55 degree couloir before needing a rest break? Peak to creek speed runs with delayed onset of fire in quads?

    The cold water and outdoor exposure also seems really interesting, but, at middle age there are enough pain lockers in life. Dunno if I gots the gumption to voluntarily walk through the door into another one...time will tell.
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    What if the hokey pokey really is what it's all about?

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    Swissiphic, care to give a precis of the breathing techniques, or a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by swissiphic View Post
    Any of the wim hofers still wim hofing? Any progress reports?
    Not still... but again. I took an unintentional break from the breathing for about eight months. I just kind of let it fade out of my life. And I continually felt worse and worse and continually told myself to get back at it.

    Then something weird began to happen. I'd wake up in the middle of the night and unconsciously decide to do a few rounds of breathing. I would be half asleep but I'd charge through 3-4 rounds, falling asleep during retentions. So... now I'm back on the regular schedule and feeling normal again. I think my body (and mind) literally missed it. So I took the hint.

    With that time off my retention times are still 2:30-3:00 or so... which took me a several months to get to from 1:00-1:30 at my beginning. It's not really about the time, it's about the feeling, but the time is definitely a skill that develops.

    There's a lot that goes on in the brain with this kind of breathing and retaining. I won't pretend to be an expert on the science, but I simply know it makes me feel better, function better, think better, everything. (But I'm also kind of mental and would probably benefit from meds, too, to balance the chemistry up there.)

    With the routine and disciplined breathing meditation in my life, I find myself controlling my breath throughout the day more, too. Just quick mental resets.

    All said... I never went back to warm showers. I don't really take ice baths anymore. Too expensive and in the winter the ground water is cold enough to be brutal. It gets difficult around 15C, really difficult around 10C, and pins and needles around 4C (Dec-March). Just kind of boring during the summer.

    I did however stop talking about Hoffing with people unless they ask. There just isn't enough evidence to back up my claims of how it makes me feel.

    Cold water is real.
    Breathing meditation is real.
    Both are simple and have palpable benefits that outweigh the zero costs (except for time.) And both are really simple to excuse yourself from not doing so can be hard to keep up in the long term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Island Bay View Post
    Swissiphic, care to give a precis of the breathing techniques, or a link?
    Well, I started with the Joe Rogan podcast then just started you tubing various Wim Hof related youtube vids...there's a lot of content out there.

    Some of the stuff sounds hokey, some sounds legit, some appears to be backed by science, some anecdotal, some pure speculation and some fairly outlandish claims.

    One of my questions is what long term positive or negative affects would/does wim hoffing have on the brain, internal organs, etc... Have enough people done it long enough to provide a reasonable sample size?

    Are there unintended negative unforeseen emergent phenomena after decades of consistent, disciplined wim hof based breathing cycles, cold water immersion and outdoor cold exposure...even if only in smaller proportions of participating members?





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    Follow them on facebook, or get on their mailing list. I was just invited to be part of a rheumatoid arthritis study group but I needed blood samples from before beginning the WHM. Which I don't have.

    That said, my shoulder arthritis pain / inflammation did decrease when I began the training. But I don't know if that's to be associated with WHM or simply the weight that I lost.

    I was stoked on the decrease in shoulder pain and shared it with my surgeon friends who smiled and said: That's probably the placebo effect. To which I responded: I'll take that!

    Because if I can trick myself into feeling better... that is some major control over life.

    Here is a little piece on Brown Fat... which gets generated after repeated cold exposure. https://www.popsci.com/brown-fat-bca...ZvTKgdZvEq7RX0

    Another on why I had to begin again...
    https://qz.com/quartzy/1132986/neuro...TDiv6FTOGbeYmE
    Last edited by gaijin; 08-27-2019 at 04:44 AM.

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