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11-25-2017, 09:34 PM #76
Lars skied 183, so does Chuck. It might be the best comp ski ever made for firm conditions stable enough to ski super hard yet short enough to get into tight spots and bump up line score. Mount them significantly forward of line and you can turn them super fast yet they still remain super stable.
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11-25-2017, 09:46 PM #77
Speaking of mount points. I haven't mounted my 108 yet but I was thinking of mounting mine +2. Anyone gone forward on their mount? I've always found Heads mounting points to be a little too far back.
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11-25-2017, 09:52 PM #78
That makes sense. When those skis broke, it was more sidewall explosion and fracturing than de-lam. Bases also seemed pretty soft - I revealed a lot of colors on the underside of those skis. Pretty crazy considering those Stocklis were $1400 MSRP, 10 years ago. . And I certainly wasn’t trying to refute Tuco, I’m just riffin
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11-25-2017, 09:58 PM #79Banned
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I mounted both my 184s and 191s on the line, and thoroughly enjoy them there.
I got in more time on the 98s today, they are really starting to shine. Very easy to ski now that I have a week of skiing under my belt..the first two days on them I don’t think I quite had my legs underneath me.
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11-25-2017, 11:32 PM #80
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FWIW, if I ever get some time and the right conditions I can do some back2backs between my 183 103s and 184 108s.
1) I don’t recall there being much of a difference in stiffness when I handflexed them last, but I could be mistaken.
2) The 103s were literally built by stapling two GS cores together, so there might be some torsional rigidity issues there (thats why they had so many delam issues?).
3) The 103s are much much much straighter.Last edited by Lindahl; 11-26-2017 at 08:27 AM.
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11-26-2017, 07:54 AM #81
Sidewalls on 1st gen 103's was a known problem, The sidewalls were too brittle. Just like sgs said, some sort of ceramic.They crack, water intrudes and its all over with. Wouldn't doubt if I have a punky core on my 193's. I noticed mine a little to late for warranty and it always kinda pissed me off.
I'd sworn off Head skis until a deal at L9 came up on Boneshakers that I couldn't pass up. It's become my favorite ski and brought Head back into my radar.
I didn't buy the 108 because I wanted another 103. I expect much more from these, from a versatility perspective.
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11-26-2017, 10:37 AM #82Banned
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They still arent great in powder.. Submarines.
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11-26-2017, 11:27 AM #83
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11-26-2017, 11:55 AM #84
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11-26-2017, 11:59 AM #85Banned
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They do everything else soooo good!
True.
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11-28-2017, 10:36 PM #86Banned
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I got on the 191 108s today for the first time of the season. Conditions varied from 3” soft windblown type snow, to soft chop bumps on top of ice. Early season off-piste basically.
They are extraordinary skis. Top 3 on my favorite list. They prefer fast, medium sized carves/slarves, but wont kill you if you slow it down and turn a little quicker. Works for soft or hard snow, just don’t try and get surfy/jibby.
Barely any harder to ski than 191 Wrens or Katanas. Monsters are easy to de-camber, so it feels like they have a little more rocker than they actually have on paper.
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12-07-2017, 09:11 PM #87
Got a few days on my 184 108 monsters. Mounted them +2. Great ski. Craves hard pack like a beast and is very maneuverable in tight spots. Feel is very similar to old monsters but they do carve much easier. Not a great soft snow ski, but a great firm/variable ski. And I'm sure they will destroy chop, although I think I will still prefer 194 4frnt devestator for afternoon chop.
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12-08-2017, 12:12 PM #88
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12-08-2017, 03:37 PM #89Banned
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I have put 6 days on the 184 98s so far this season, and they are awesome for low tide.
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01-11-2018, 12:57 AM #90Registered User
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Found a deal on some 184 98s, stoked!.
Anyone besides Avigreene mounting these on the line? Don't remember where my demo pair was mounted, but it was perfect.
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01-11-2018, 09:00 AM #91
I’m on the line with my 184 108s, they felt fine there. They definitely like to turn- I agree with Aever, they like medium sized turns at Mach speed but can make long turns with ease and shorter turns with a fair bit of input and/or pitch. They’re really not all that difficult to ski, at least for me at 200 lb on the 184. I’m gonna review them here once I get more runs on them, right now I belong in gimp central
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01-11-2018, 05:17 PM #92Banned
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The 191s arent that difficult to ski either. It’s quite surprising, the 27.6m radius, weight and flex initially made me think they would be super locked in. Get them up to 25mph, and they will basically do whatever you want, no hesitation. I have no problems ripping bumps with them, but tighter trees are not their strong suit.
They will make tighter turns than 191 wrens if you ask them to. They don’t float as well as the wrens though..
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01-11-2018, 11:52 PM #93Registered User
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I have some 186 Wrens (the old ones), and they are one of the easiest turning skis I've ever owned. Significantly easier than 187 Bonafides and way easier than something like my old Elan 888s.
The trend in skis is easier every year IMO. I wonder if the tide will turn back at some point?
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01-12-2018, 11:35 AM #94
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01-13-2018, 02:18 AM #95Registered User
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Got the 17/18s, gonna mount on the line.
I hope the 98s are as much fun as the 108s. It's looking like a low tide year after all.
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01-27-2018, 03:02 PM #96
Got some more time on my 184 108s. Previously I'd said I think I would still prefer 194 4frnt devestator for skiing fast through crud. I take it back. These babies are so easy to ski fast through crud it's ridiculous. Smooth everything out, just point and shoot. Awesome ski.
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02-01-2018, 02:55 PM #97
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Curious if you’re going to keep both skis? Which do you think skis ‘easier?’ I guess they are totally different styles.. I would think the Dev is a little more versatile, even more heavy but gives up points on the firm. I think the 184 Monster is pretty easy to turn, but super damp/ predictable, that’s what makes it so interesting.
I currently hold both, but I haven’t tried my 194 Devs yet, been having too much fun with a set of 193 Praxis MVPs I got here, hitting lots of rox. Have tons of days on 184 Dev which I sold off, which seems like a completely different ski from the 194.
Personally, I don’t plan on selling any of them right now, I seem to have convinced myself they each have their purpose.
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02-01-2018, 10:22 PM #98
My 194 devestators are rock skis, so definitely keeping them as they have zero resale value. 194 devestator is a totally different ski than the 184. I really like the 184 for days where I just want to ski easy, super versatile, easy yet fun to ski. Too bad I broke mine. 194 requires much more attention. As a note I mounted both devestators -2 from recommended and like both there versus +2 on monsters, which I also like. And I would agree that each has their purpose.
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02-02-2018, 09:25 AM #99
Thanks SG. Agreed on the 184... I’ll probably end up with that ski again, great ski for a smaller guy and/or mellower ski for a bigger guy that is still fun. I had that mounted -1, 194s are -1 but unused. I have the monsters on the line, I adjust my ski style accordingly but those are the types of skis I really progressed using, so falling back to that style feels natural.
I assume the 194 Dev is quite better in powder, as I would say the 184 dev is until you hit Mach looney, which is easier to do on the Monster, the 184 dev equires attention at those speeds.
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02-12-2018, 09:30 PM #100Banned
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Looks like the Monster 98s and 108s are not coming back next year..
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