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05-11-2020, 09:42 PM #201
I saw this a while ago, makes the sur-ron look pretty fun. I was looking at the KTM too but didn't see bike weight listed on their website. If it was substantially lighter than a gas moto it might be worth it. But the battery only lasts 90min and it is $3600 for a spare?
The nice thing with the sur-ron is it is much lighter at 50kg. I don't take my moto on singletrack because I'm paranoid of dropping in somewhere I can't get out of, or tipping it down a side slope and not being able to get it back on the trail. Can't just pick it up and hike a bike out like with my mountain bike. The sur-ron would be a little more like the MTB weight wise. That said, it's fucking ugly.
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05-11-2020, 10:18 PM #202Registered User
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05-11-2020, 10:32 PM #203
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Thing i found to be scary taking moto on single track built by bikes is the 21 inch front tire, some of drops they built into the trails just seem more suited to 24 and bigger front tires.
They're bulding e-bikes under the Bultaco brand name that seem to have potential, but like most e-bikes, they seem to be having trouble getting the business going.
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05-11-2020, 11:58 PM #205Registered User
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I wonder if the moto world will follow the trend of mtn bikes and go with larger wheels in the future. They are so amazing as they are now. Dirt bikes can eat up the nastiest single track mile after mile, with the rider being the weak link.
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05-12-2020, 06:24 AM #207
What about Zero?
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05-12-2020, 06:48 AM #208"timberridge is terminally vapid" -- a fortune cookie in Yueyang
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05-12-2020, 10:52 AM #209Registered User
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05-12-2020, 11:01 AM #210
I'm three inches shorter and I don't know how shorter guys deal with coming to stop on some trail bikes.
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I know. It gets real comical when they need to put a foot down on the low side of the trail. Lowering links, raising the forks in the clamps, and cut down seats help
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05-12-2020, 12:14 PM #213Registered User
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As for the KTM being stubby, it's made that way on purpose, they a have gas motors in the Freeride lineup. It's kind of a cross between a trials bike, and a trail bike.
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05-12-2020, 12:51 PM #214
^Yup. I own a Freeride 2-stroke. It's smaller (much shorter) and stubbier than my Enduro bikes (300s) and that's part of what makes it so much fun. IIRC, factory weight is around 202lbs. The form factor brings the grins as it's like riding a 2-stroke MTB. The small form makes it approachable for a lot of people but the suspension type is limiting compared to a proper Enduro; if you can ride, you will be faster and more competent on proper dirt bike. I'd liken it to maybe riding a hard tail mtb vs. a full suspension - you can haul on the hardtail but be prepared for a lot of body english. positioning and technique usage. I love that part of it as it makes me super precise. Mine is quite dialed and quite pimped FWIW.
If I was picking an e-moto, I'd still be probably looking more at things like the Sur-Ron. The Freeride is still a moto chassis and has weight; when the time comes for adding an e-moto to the fleet, I'm going to expect it to be different and leverage the advantages vs. just a dirt bike with a electric engine. Scaling down the chassis and borrowing more from the performance DH mtb world is where my head is at. Light, maneuverable, high torque, instant power, low center of gravity and minimal maintenance. We are almost there - some companies are getting closer and starting to spec the bikes with compelling parts but no one has really put together one that would meet my performance needs. The lighter footprint should/does help with the range but I'm also waiting for a little better tech to increase the ride time.
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Good point - mine is a 5th gen. when they went from sport to sport tourer. I am absolutly in love with that engine (800efi). The gear driven cams have a nice little whine to them and the torque is just magical. So many smiles for so few pesos.
I previously had an '85 vfr500 back in uni. It was a great commuter, quick, light small- could dodge between cars with ease. The 5th gen is a bit less comfortable around town but at highway speeds it is bliss.
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05-13-2020, 11:06 AM #217
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05-13-2020, 02:19 PM #218
Yeah, that was the bike circa 85-86 or so. It handled like a dream and that was the "highlight" if I remember correctly. I had an FJ1100 back then. My bud had the Interceptor 500 and then he bought a RZ350 a tweaked some shit. That freaking bike was unreal! Power to weight ratio was f'n nuts! I was like riding my RM465 on the street. None of those things belong on the road!
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05-13-2020, 03:30 PM #219“I tell you, we are here on Earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you different.”
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05-13-2020, 04:06 PM #220
I had an 87 VF700 too. The de-tuned tariff engine was a joy and mine had an ohlins rear shock. So smooth and plenty of power. The ohlins shock was fantastic. When I got the VFR750 it had barely been ridden and the guy put a fox shock and a fork kit on it. What a mess. I was back marker in my crew so I took it to Lindeman Engineering LE and let them set it up for my size and weight. Amazing. Set up is everything on a bike. If I could recommend one thing is to find a race suspension shop and let them set up sag and profile.
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05-13-2020, 05:15 PM #221
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05-13-2020, 05:30 PM #222
VF700R
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05-14-2020, 05:07 AM #223jgb@etree Guest
Back in the mid to late 90's VFR's were the preferred source for 17" front wheels and single sided swingarms for the small army of CBR's I used to own and do extremely stupid shit on. Fucking miracle I'm still in 1 piece.
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05-17-2020, 09:17 AM #224
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05-17-2020, 04:19 PM #225
Vfr is a great idea. 800 or 1200?
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