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Thread: ON3P SKIS Discussion
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10-14-2021, 05:26 PM #11626
those look amazing, Luke!
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10-14-2021, 05:59 PM #11627
Why aren’t there any ON3P in the new blister buyers guide?
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10-14-2021, 06:25 PM #11628Seriously, this can’t turn into yet another ON3P thread....
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10-14-2021, 06:59 PM #11629
ON3P SKIS Discussion
I’m feeling like they’ll do me right. Look forward to meeting up and rippin your turf with the crew!
Purple now in stock! I’m trying to find a Roffe jacket and my old fluorescent pink Alpy hat lol
Huge urge to search for this bike right now
Thanks bro! Take em for a spin sometime
Have a good season!
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10-14-2021, 07:10 PM #11630Registered User
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10-14-2021, 08:09 PM #11631
Own BG 116 Tours and just got BG 110 50/50’s, and have a lot of days on the Billy Goat platform:
1) softer but not floppy. For me, the weight drop and maneuverability of the tour is worth it, but I’m touring 90% of my days on these.
2) defer to Scott, man behind the math
3) uh why is the C&D not on this list? go C&D for baddest choices and fattest quiver
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10-15-2021, 03:01 AM #11632Registered User
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I think it is a good call on their end to not include skis whose reviewed version is fairly different to the current version. ON3Ps is on example, Dynastar M Free 118 another (they tried the race room French built PR-oto Factory, yet label it as the same ski as the Spanish built Menace Proto / M Free 118 whose layup / torsional stiffness is supposedly very, very different according to Dynastar heads).
1) The tour layup skis are softer in the shovels/tails, but still fairly supportive throughout. They are no noodles. I can't say that I have ever experienced them as floppy, not in the least. (based on BG108tours)
2) From what I gather you can kinda split the difference between tour and stock for the 50/50 wrt weight, though I would err to it being a bit closer to stock.
3) If shredding deep, untracked or flatter terrain is the objective, then the choice between BG vs CD perhaps makes more sense than BG110vs118. Sure, the 110 is arguably a more versatile touring ski and is somewhat better for me when doing steep ascending, but who cares about that if you are sat in a cat?
As for tour vs 50/50 - here's how I think about it
1) want to retain the same type of stiffness and durability (wrt to base thickness, not compression damage) as a stock ski, but at a slight weight loss -> 50/50
2) want to optimize for weight, but still have a supportive ski that can charge -> tour
Snowpack also factors in imho -> denser snowpack, I would lean 50/50 (but then again I prefer stiffer skis in that kind of snow), drier snow -> you can get away with softer shovels to increase float.
I find the regular BG to be plenty nimble, so that dimension doesn't really factor into the decision for me.
I decided to go 50/50 for this season for the aforementioned reasons, after being WD108tours last season. They skied awesomely, but I figured a slightly lighter version of the stock ski that still skied fairly similarly to stock would be the best option for me for the type of snow I see the most.
What would I do in your scenario? I would Castify the regular Goats (for inbounds and cat) and get a pair of BG110tours optimized for touring as a second ski. I would go for 50/50s if the snowpack was denser, tour if drier. I would fit them with a 350gr tech binding, Vipec or Tectons. Either way the 110s would be an awesome setup, so I wouldn't overthink it.
if the idea is to get a ski that is the best option for exclusively riding in deep, BG118tour or CDtour (newest tour layup if that is offered).Last edited by kid-kapow; 10-15-2021 at 03:23 AM.
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10-15-2021, 07:01 AM #11633Registered User
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Question - 2017 billy goats. $400 flat, 1 mount. What is the general consensus on the 17’s? Or should I bite the bullet and go brand new.
Last edited by jaywood; 10-15-2021 at 08:40 AM.
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10-15-2021, 08:46 AM #11634
^^ What don’t you like about them? Who cares what the cool kids are doing; it’s about the spot in your quiver that they’re filling and the limits you have found with them.
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10-15-2021, 08:47 AM #11635
^^ What don’t you like about them? Who cares what the cool kids are doing; it’s about the spot in your quiver that they’re filling and the limits you have found with them.
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10-15-2021, 09:17 AM #11636
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10-15-2021, 09:19 AM #11637Registered User
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holy shit Luke, the power is immense in those vice sticks of wonder! The more I look at them the more I like them. Yikes.
they are great skis with a killer graphic. They are also pre-asym, so arguably closer to the current BG118 than last year's asym BGs. Yes, there have been some changes since 2017 - most notably slight change in layup and this year's wider slightly more setback shape, but nothing drastic. All current BGs should ski fairly similarly.
And yes, the asym BGs are great too.
if the mount works for you (either directly or doesn't interfere with mounting them where you want to), they are in good condition and you want to save a few hundred, then 2017s are great skis.
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10-15-2021, 10:48 AM #11638Registered User
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For reference, my 184 50/50 BG 108 tours added 200 grams over the stock tours.
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10-15-2021, 11:14 AM #11639Registered User
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10-15-2021, 12:10 PM #11640Registered User
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10-15-2021, 01:09 PM #11641Registered User
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thanks for that Kapow
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10-15-2021, 02:06 PM #11642Registered User
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No worries - glad I could help, I remembered that Adrgha posted those pics last year (thanks!), so it was a quick 2 min search"e.
I stumbled on the Iggy post in the process, so thought I should post it as well
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10-15-2021, 02:29 PM #11643Registered User
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Kid-kapow really is the search king of TGR! And for the record, I cannot recommend the 50/50 build enough. The best of both worlds, truly.
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10-15-2021, 03:58 PM #11644Registered User
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Need some figuring out the iteration of these BGs. I initially thought they were the 191 cm 2011-12 BGs, but after doing more research I’m unsure. The biggest red flag is the identical top sheet and bases as compared to what I’ve found from stock pictures and GS (see pics below).
From my understanding, the 2011-12 191 BG had RES and then RES was brought to all lengths in the 2012-13. When I lay them over each other, I can’t discern any difference in shape - this is not the case with my SGs which I know have RES.
I’m thinking they couldn’t be a pre-2011-12, non-RES BG because they have the 2011-12 right foot(?) top sheet and base on each.
Was I duped and bought two right RES 2011-12 BGs?? Am I overthinking this because it’s snowing around the country right now and I’m about to jump in my car and drive to Salt Lake or Denver to quench my appetite for some turns??
Any and all thoughts appreciated.
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10-15-2021, 04:34 PM #11645
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10-15-2021, 05:07 PM #11646
[QUOTE=nwags41;6432554]Need some figuring out the iteration of these BGs. I initially thought they were the 191 cm 2011-12 BGs, but after doing more research I’m unsure. The biggest red flag is the identical top sheet and bases as compared to what I’ve found from stock pictures and GS (see pics below).
I could be waaaay off here but it kinda sounds to me like your talking RES v ASYM. Yes your two skis have the same graphic and should not, but they are both the (correct) same ski so it really doesn’t matter. ON3P added the ASYM much later and has since retired it as of this year. Until they added it (2019??), both skis of that gen/shape did have RES and still do, so you’ll be just fine even if they share the same topsheet. SG (until this year) have ASYM and RES. Sorry if I am understanding your question incorrectlyFear, Doubt, Disbelief, you have to let it all go. Free your mind!
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10-15-2021, 05:42 PM #11647Registered User
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Overthinking?
yes.
You more likely than not have a pair of early BG RES skis. They are symmetrical, so the top sheet doesn't matter wrt on snow performance. If anything, these still have the even more pow specific RES (more limited straight zones) so should be a hoot.
So duped? Hardly - I suspect these will be a lot of fun for what you paid for them and should give you instant cred from any ON3P mag you meet on the hill
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10-15-2021, 05:53 PM #11648Registered User
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10-15-2021, 06:16 PM #11649Registered User
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10-16-2021, 11:32 PM #11650
What’s the serial number on both of those? Topsheet near the mount mark
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