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  1. #3301
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    Quote Originally Posted by carlh View Post
    Will there be another run of supergoats next year? Planning on watching for scraps but it sounds like everyone is loving theirs.
    I lost patience trying to heard cats on organizing another run so we just built 12 more pairs with some of our favorite tops. Will post them up for sale soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by theetruscan View Post
    Couldn't you ... mount the wren forward of the line?
    You could....but you shouldn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by optics View Post
    I’m in for a pair, too.

    What’s the critical mass where it works? 10 pairs?
    A bit more than that, especially since we would have to go through a prototyping round or two with them. We had already gone through the design/testing phase with the SuperGoats, so a lot of the work to bring them to production was already done. I'm aware of the interest here. We'll see what happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    So using a one degree SVST Final cut beveler tonight on the bases of my 98 custom Wrens. Marked the bottom of the edge with a magic marker. Taking off a ton of edge outside in. I think I found my problem especially after I skied my friends 88 Wrens and they felt so fucking perfect I couldn't stop smiling. Figured that is what the problem was.
    Let us know if that solves it. Obviously our apologies if the base bevel wasn't enough. Skis go through multiple base bevel passes on a belt & then through a dual ceramic edge grinder (DTS-U Pro)....so for something to slip through with no base bevel would be difficult. Hope the bevel solves the issues and helps make the skis easier going for you. If not, let me know.

    Also flex wise - as there was uncertainty in the comments above - there haven't been any significantly flex changes on the Wren line in the past couple years.

  2. #3302
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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyskier View Post
    Let us know if that solves it. Obviously our apologies if the base bevel wasn't enough. Skis go through multiple base bevel passes on a belt & then through a dual ceramic edge grinder (DTS-U Pro)....so for something to slip through with no base bevel would be difficult. Hope the bevel solves the issues and helps make the skis easier going for you. If not, let me know.
    Thanks iggy. They are beautiful skis. I'm pretty sure this is going to get them dialed in for me.

  3. #3303
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    Fence sitting be damned, just picked up a pair of W108's, can't wait....thanks Scott!

    Black or yellow pivots with these? Probably black, eh?

  4. #3304
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    Yellow

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    Why don't you go practice fallin' down? I'll be there in a minute.

  5. #3305
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  6. #3306
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

  7. #3307
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    "What moves men of genius, or rather what inspires their work, is not new ideas, but their obsession with the idea that what has already been said is still not enough."

    -Eugene Delacroix

  8. #3308
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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    So using a one degree SVST Final cut beveler tonight on the bases of my 98 custom Wrens. Marked the bottom of the edge with a magic marker. Taking off a ton of edge outside in. I think I found my problem especially after I skied my friends 88 Wrens and they felt so fucking perfect I couldn't stop smiling. Figured that is what the problem was.
    I found similar on my wife’s ON3P’s, also using the SVST tool.

    To note, the base edge certainly is at 1 degree bevel, it’s just that the bevel is not the full width of the edge. That is to say some of the edge is at the base angle (or 0 degrees) and some of it is at the 1 degree bevel.

    I am sure this is somewhat to do with the wider ON3P edges.

    I actually really like this as when you tune over time the base edge bevel will slowly work across the width of the base edge if that makes sense.

    I mean I guess it might make a little difference in how it would ski as the edge effectively changes height in relation to the base while staying at the same angle.

    I think we’re getting into gapic ski territory here.....

  9. #3309
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    What's the supergoat all about? Yes I'm a lazy jong and don't want to go thru 133 pages to find out.

  10. #3310
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCskid View Post
    What's the supergoat all about? Yes I'm a lazy jong and don't want to go thru 133 pages to find out.
    zoom zoom

  11. #3311
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    If you have to ask it is not a ski for you...

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  12. #3312
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    Quote Originally Posted by MCskid View Post
    What's the supergoat all about? Yes I'm a lazy jong and don't want to go thru 133 pages to find out.
    193cm, 118mm Billy Goat with a wrenegade tail rocker and an extra stiff flex; or something like that. Its big, its unnecessary, and no one needs it, but this is TGR. They all whined long enough and loud enough that Scott made a special run of them back in November or December. Most who got a pair still live in fear of its capabilities.

  13. #3313
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    so you mean to tell me that this isn't a ski for my level psa 1 skiing abilities?

  14. #3314
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    BG for Clydesdales
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  15. #3315
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    I found similar on my wife’s ON3P’s, also using the SVST tool.

    To note, the base edge certainly is at 1 degree bevel, it’s just that the bevel is not the full width of the edge. That is to say some of the edge is at the base angle (or 0 degrees) and some of it is at the 1 degree bevel.

    I am sure this is somewhat to do with the wider ON3P edges.

    I actually really like this as when you tune over time the base edge bevel will slowly work across the width of the base edge if that makes sense.

    I mean I guess it might make a little difference in how it would ski as the edge effectively changes height in relation to the base while staying at the same angle.

    I think we’re getting into gapic ski territory here.....
    We are going for smile factor though so not gapic. Thanks for your observations.

    I have felt strongly from the day I started skiing these sticks that they needed more base edge bevel so really the details don't matter to me. I have no doubt Scott knows how to build amazing skis and bevel them correctly which is why we have 4 pairs of his skis in the family quiver and I retired another pair. I'm giving them what I think they need and going for a ride tomorrow. Stoked.

  16. #3316
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    Quote Originally Posted by uglymoney View Post
    We are going for smile factor though so not gapic. Thanks for your observations.

    I have felt strongly from the day I started skiing these sticks that they needed more base edge bevel so really the details don't matter to me. I have no doubt Scott knows how to build amazing skis and bevel them correctly which is why we have 4 pairs of his skis in the family quiver and I retired another pair. I'm giving them what I think they need and going for a ride tomorrow. Stoked.
    Interested to hear the difference.

  17. #3317
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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    Most who got a pair still live in fear of its capabilities.
    Or they did a hot lap and haven’t been seen since. Possibly time traveled.

  18. #3318
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    BG for Clydesdales
    Regular BG charges pretty hard for me. at 6'2" 230(or so...), I'm not exactly a featherweight.

  19. #3319
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    Quote Originally Posted by theetruscan View Post
    Regular BG charges pretty hard for me. at 6'2" 230(or so...), I'm not exactly a featherweight.
    It does for me as well, but there have been a few days over the years when I wanted a little more spine, and I weigh 50 lbs less than you. Rare days on big, open terrain.

    It is possible to overpower the stock BG but most folks don't ski fast enough to need a beefier one... SG is a comp ski.

    However, I do think it is an appropriate everyday BG substitute for the big guys with strength and speed.
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  20. #3320
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    Quote Originally Posted by XavierD View Post
    193cm, 118mm Billy Goat with a wrenegade tail rocker and an extra stiff flex; or something like that. Its big, its unnecessary, and no one needs it, but this is TGR. They all whined long enough and loud enough that Scott made a special run of them back in November or December. Most who got a pair still live in fear of its capabilities.
    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    BG for Clydesdales
    It's not really that big. The center'ish mount makes them ski shorter than they tape. That's also due to the RES. I skied the stiff flex, didn't feel they were crazy stiff. Granted the conditions I had that day were fucking awesome, over 20" of damn near blower.
    I'm not an overly big dude, pretty normal I think. 5'10" and 195lbs of twisted steel and sex appeal. Pretty strong though as I do hit the weights hard when not skiing and in the off season.
    There is a whole thread on them where I put a full review. As stated, if you have to ask....
    I would have bought a pair even though I hate paying full retail for skis but then I got an amazing deal on a new set of 191 goats.

  21. #3321
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by MCskid View Post
    What's the supergoat all about? Yes I'm a lazy jong and don't want to go thru 133 pages to find out.
    I ski both the regular BG(2017) and SG. I love both for different reasons. The BG is better for trees, tight spots, cruddy/choppy powder bumps, and general messing/surfing around. It is still a fast ski, and can be skied quite hard.

    The Supergoats want to rage more. The tail is significantly more powerful, and also significantly less forgiving. It likes smoother conditions in wide open terrain, where you can really let it loose and hit high speeds. It can still handle well spaced trees, but moguls are its one true enemy. It likes to carve a little more than my 2017 BGs, and feels more comfortable on edge, but idk if thats just the new asym design (thats also on 2018 regular BGs) or if its the tail profile.

    SG is basically a lovechild born from Billy Goats and 191 Wrens, except bigger and badder. However, it’s not as “locked in” as 191 Wrens, and it doesnt take more than 2 seconds on the SG to notice the RES slarve-ability. The tip on the SG is fairly forgiving, but still, the tail will beat you up if you get tired or don’t stay on top of it.

    I think the regular BG is a better resort ski for most people and most resorts. Supergoats want room to do their thing. If you mainly ski at a big mountain with big vertical and big terrain, and also less skier traffic and less bumps, SG’s would crush it. Otherwise, go for a regular BG.

    If you are in the PNW and ski a lot of trees, definitely go regular BG. Mammoth, Big Sky, maybe Jackson(although JH has some tight-ish trees and gets bumped out quickly), go SG. Squaw has wide open terrain, but it all gets bumped out within 3 hours on a pow day, and I prefer regular BG’s in those bumps. For the first 2 hours, SG’s are fun though..

    SG is more of a “quiver” ski, for those big days when the entire city didnt come to the mountain to bump everything up.





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  22. #3322
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    Anyone need some bindings? I got a bunch, new and used. STH2 16s, Pivot 14 WTR, Attack 13s.

    PM me.


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    ^ I skied the SG at Silver Mtn. It's not a big resort with lots of fairly to very tight trees. The stiff SG were plenty quick enough and would pivot through them with ease. Not quite the tree ski as the ProTest, which is no surprise. They do love to run in open spaces and it truly is where they really shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    ^ I skied the SG at Silver Mtn. It's not a big resort with lots of fairly to very tight trees. The stiff SG were plenty quick enough and would pivot through them with ease. Not quite the tree ski as the ProTest, which is no surprise. They do love to run in open spaces and it truly is where they really shine.
    Was it bumped out?? I haven’t skied the SG’s on a low traffic powder day yet, so I think the deep bumps have something to do with it. I took them into the trees at Alpine Meadows, and they weren’t difficult at all, but those trees arent that tight..

    I want to ski the stiffy flex and compare it to my Aeverflex. Aeverflex is a comp ski, no doubt about it. I like it like that though, I wanted a replacement for 196 Governors for rage-days, one that was more surfy. Aeverflex rages harder than 196 Govs, and also is more surfy.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    ^ I skied the SG at Silver Mtn. It's not a big resort with lots of fairly to very tight trees. The stiff SG were plenty quick enough and would pivot through them with ease. Not quite the tree ski as the ProTest, which is no surprise. They do love to run in open spaces and it truly is where they really shine.
    I just realized that since you're laid up at home in the recliner, you're quite literally an "armchair expert" on the supergoats.

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