ON3P SKIS Discussion

[optics]

Get a room, you two!

[shroom]

tell me how you feel

[SupreChicken]

Kid Kapow I also really like the 2017 BGs, I skied the 189s. They are equally as good as the 2015 191s I had, but different. I'd have a hard time picking which model I'd vote for On3p to bring back, if ever was given the option. Both are some of my favorite skis of all time.

The 2015 191 for me was more loose and playful like a 4FRNT Hoji/K2 Obsethed 118, and the core felt more poppy(in a good way). The ski overall was still extremely supportive in 191, much more than a 187 Hoji or 189 K2, but it felt like it had a little more freestyle dna in my opinion, easier to jib around and more maneuverable at slow to medium speeds. It begged me to launch off anything in sight, every side hit, and was super stompy. It was still obviously more of a directional freeride powder charger than anything else.

The 2017 189 was more stable for me. Everyone was complaining for a year when On3p chopped 191 to 189, but people like XavierD were telling us not to worry, and he was right all along. Not only a stiffer ski, the 189 sidecut felt more precise, and a bit better on edge. Still not a carver obviously but it was slightly more predictable out of deep snow, more like a what a big mountain ski is made to encounter off piste anywhere anytime. I never found the 2015s unpredictable, just looser.

The 2017 felt so reassuring, like it had a little more Blizzard Bodacious edge to it, minus any real carving ability. I found the 189 length better in funky powder moguls and the stiffer flex a bit more predictable charging off piste than the 191. The 2015 191 might have had a better suspension though, in terms of translating less vibration to my body, but overall I felt faster on the 189 from 2017.

My 189 asym was tougher to ski and demanded more aggression that my 2014 191. Stiffness and tail rocker differences

[kid-kapow]

Get a room, you two!

tell me how you feel

hehe

yeah - a bit of happy and drunk posting on my part

[Sessiøn]

A new year.

ON3P releases skis.

TGR Does what TGR does.

[Velomayniac]

My 189 asym was tougher to ski and demanded more aggression that my 2014 191. Stiffness and tail rocker differences

I keep hearing that, and that the asym was even more ski than the 2017s. I thought my 2017s were nearing 2500g/ski, and they were as stiff as my heavy core Praxis Rx#5flex. My 2017s felt a bit more wren like, and I liked it.

I didn’t find my 2x AEV supergoats much more stable, in fact AEVgoats were more floppy when shutting down speed in refrozen/firmer snow or slush. Only place I preferred the 2x supergoats was wide open deep powder in steep terrain, like heli skiing or a lucky resort run when I have good timing. But then I prefer Cease n Desist for that over the Supergoats…

[Tailwind]

Very torn between a Jeffrey 118 tour and Billy Goat 118 tour.

Daily driver touring is a Deathwish. Daily driver at the resort are Wren 114’s. I really like both skis.

Seems like it’ll be a guess and a coin flip. I’m tempted to lean Billy Goat but the Jeffrey praise was loud last season.

[Bandit Man]

A new year.

ON3P releases skis.

TGR Does what TGR does.

But if we didn’t, wouldn’t ON3P be relegated to “just making park skis”?

[kid-kapow]

Very torn between a Jeffrey 118 tour and Billy Goat 118 tour.

I would go with BG118tours as the more typical backcountry ski, unless you plan to get your jib on.

Both can be skied with an upright stance, but the BG is more speed (and more fond of being driven than jeffs) where the jeff is more chargy play - as you full well know, I know.

Also, doing kickturns with -4 mount sounds like something I am not flexible enough to handle (assuming similar lengths), in spite of the not inconsiderable splay out back

Cy wrote this nice review on the j118tour last year.

ah, fuck - now I want some j118s and j118tours after re-reading it. Dammit.

[Tailwind]

Agree… the Billy goat makes sense on paper. But…

Cy’s Deathwish love and my Deathwish love are what throw me.

I think they’re both around -6.

I would go with BG118tours as the more typical backcountry ski, unless you plan to get your jib on.

Both can be skied with an upright stance, but the BG is more speed (and more fond of being driven than jeffs) where the jeff is more chargy play - as you full well know, I know.

Also, doing kickturns with -4 mount sounds like something I am not flexible enough to handle (assuming similar lengths), in spite of the not inconsiderable splay out back

Cy wrote this nice review on the j118tour last year.

ah, fuck - now I want some j118s and j118tours after re-reading it. Dammit.

[CYJ]

Looks like they listened and the J108 got some slight tweaks to make them a bit more hard snow friendly. Interesting as their previous update was in the opposite direction when they bumped up the waist to 110 and increased the sidecut radius, basically giving me and others a middle finger lol.

Edit: and lighter too it seems

[MoeSnow]

Also, doing kickturns with -4 mount sounds like something I am not flexible enough to handle (assuming similar lengths), in spite of the not inconsiderable splay out back

I had this issue when touring on some J118s.

More rearward mount point of the BG would have been appreciated on the uphill.

[fleaches]

I had this issue when touring on some J118s.

More rearward mount point of the BG would have been appreciated on the uphill.

BGs are awesome at kick turns

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[big kook]

Can't even wait to hear how the jeff 100 handles on firm.

[shroom]

you’re a kook

exited for 191 BG hot takes

[Tailwind]

On3p had a comment on their social media about a new wide model that’ll be coming to their custom program soon. Sounds like it will be Jeffrey based. Curious to see what comes out but my money would be on a Jeffrey 126 or something similar.

[skuff]

On3p had a comment on their social media about a new wide model that’ll be coming to their custom program soon. Sounds like it will be Jeffrey based. Curious to see what comes out but my money would be on a Jeffrey 126 or something similar.

I'd be all over a Jeffrey 114

[Orthoski]

I'd be all over a Jeffrey 114

I still have old school Jeffrey 116s and they're pretty dialed. Absolutely great in deep and still do well on anything but icy groomers, including our east coast version of "soft groomers". Also have the old asym BGs and they make you feel invincible on anything 3D (never took a moment to adjust to them) but they certainly can't compare with the J116s on the groomers. I think they keep swinging back and forth on the widths to make us buy more skis...friggin' works...bastards.

PS - As far as J100s on firm, I've had the J96s and they're good, but if that's your goal I'd urge you to consider the Wren 102Ti's, one of my favorites for firm while still being able to handle soft, moguls, etc.

[Skeeze]

I still have old school Jeffrey 116s and they're pretty dialed. Absolutely great in deep and still do well on anything but icy groomers, including our east coast version of "soft groomers". Also have the old asym BGs and they make you feel invincible on anything 3D (never took a moment to adjust to them) but they certainly can't compare with the J116s on the groomers. I think they keep swinging back and forth on the widths to make us buy more skis...friggin' works...bastards.

PS - As far as J100s on firm, I've had the J96s and they're good, but if that's your goal I'd urge you to consider the Wren 102Ti's, one of my favorites for firm while still being able to handle soft, moguls, etc.

Orthoski—what’s your opinion on how the Asym BGs compare to the J116s in various forms of pow? Light pow, heavy pow, wind affected pow, chopped pow, etc.

I’m am absolute Asym BG loyalist but also love slowing down a bit and manufacturing face shots by slarving/slashing the tails, and something find that to be a bit difficult on skis with pintails, so I’m curious about side Jeffrey’s.

[kid-kapow]

the differences are pretty much as you'd expect - duh I know. My 2cents - though it has been a few years since I sold my k116s:

While asyms are fall line missiles with tails that are dead easy to release regardless of the snow being denser, kartel116s are no slouches in variable either (due to weight and construction). But, j116s tails do not release nearly as easily when the ski is on edge. As such they are more slashable for sure, but also more work in firmer snow. BGs are more fond of being driven, though J116s can be skied pretty damn hard too. J118s ski hard snow better due to the conventional radius.

I've mentioned it before, but I regret selling my custom stiffer kartel116s. I found them to have too much tails on the line and at -2, but I've since come to realize that their tails was never the issue - binding delta was. I would love to try jeff118s.

I am also very excited to get more info on the wider jeffrey based ski mentioned above - sounds like a true Japow kinda ski

[justo8484]

On3p had a comment on their social media about a new wide model that’ll be coming to their custom program soon. Sounds like it will be Jeffrey based. Curious to see what comes out but my money would be on a Jeffrey 126 or something similar.

Revival of the J122, perhaps? I don't have many opportunities to really warrant owning that ski, but the few days I've skied it in truly bottomless snow it's been stupidly fun.

[Falcon3]

Anybody know anything about the new Woodsman 100 Tour? It's on the website menu but you click on Touring or on the ski itself and the website shows "0 products".

[adrenalated]

Anybody know anything about the new Woodsman 100 Tour? It's on the website menu but you click on Touring or on the ski itself and the website shows "0 products".

Go to the normal Woodsman 100 page and you can see the dimensions. It'll be that, but with the tour layup.
Iggy's still working on getting everything updated.

[kid-kapow]

Anybody know anything about the new Woodsman 100 Tour? It's on the website menu but you click on Touring or on the ski itself and the website shows "0 products".

So this is what is known - same exact shape, somewhere in the 15-21% lighter range depending on length, and prob killer graphics.

edit to add:
well - I have to admit that it is kinda hard not to state that these three pairs look smashing together. Oh my.

[MoeSnow]

Folks who bought a 102 Wren, how did you size? Big? Small? Any regrets or thoughts?