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  1. #3101
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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    Seriously, the current Wren is the easiest to ski tail ever on a Wren. By a long shot.
    Could be my imagination but I felt a difference between the tail on the 88 and the 108. The 88 felt more demanding to me by a noticeable margin.

    Not a “problem” but a noticeable characteristic.

    But I’m also not even rad on the internet, so...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Thank you! Thought I was losing my mind or something. And yeah, that beefy Wren tail from a few years back was a real ass kicker, but I much prefer the versatility the new one provides. Anyway, it sounds like some of you may need to do a little gummy work on the tails - they release just fine. Or maybe get out of the back seat?
    There's going to be a whole generation of skiers soon (if not already) that have only skied on heavily rockered skis, and don't know what to do with a more traditional tail or how to drive a ski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optics View Post
    Could be my imagination but I felt a difference between the tail on the 88 and the 108. The 88 felt more demanding to me by a noticeable margin.

    Not a “problem” but a noticeable characteristic.

    But I’m also not even rad on the internet, so...
    I think they were primarily discussing the 108. My impression is that by design, the 88 is stiffer and more locked in for harder snow conditions. Not sure if there's less tail rocker on the 88 than the 108, but a stiffer tail would do that too.

  4. #3104
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtskibum16 View Post
    There's going to be a whole generation of skiers soon (if not already) that have only skied on heavily rockered skis, and don't know what to do with a more traditional tail or how to drive a ski.
    The same generation that can’t drive a manual transmission.

  5. #3105
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtskibum16 View Post
    There's going to be a whole generation of skiers soon (if not already) that have only skied on heavily rockered skis, and don't know what to do with a more traditional tail or how to drive a ski.
    The ever-changing world...old men everywhere thinking the same thing about all us kids with our "fancy plastic boots" who don't know how to turn a ski with leather on our feet!

  6. #3106
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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyskier View Post
    We sort of did for awhile - 166/176. When we had those sizes around they sold.......well they didn't really sell. That said - we are talking about offering it in a SuperGoat-esc capacity thru the Champagne Room - basically preorder only - one run/year. Would be updated to 164/174. From a design aspect - some of the baseline is already in place so it wouldn't be a ton of work to get the skis update to current RES specs & asymmetry. That said, would have to be notable presale interest for us to completely dive into it. We were already building SuperGoats for athletes and it still took a preorder to make the production time make sense, so a bit more to it on this one. So, yeah, we're talking about it, though we use a different internal working name than the Nanny Goat (Bhaaaaad Bitch 🐐 ). Not sure under what branding the ski would go to production though.
    Add me to the list for a 160-170cm Goat. My wife needs a soft snow ski and is just too short (5’3”) for the current offerings.

    I’ve been trying to buy her a pair since I demo’d the BG several years ago. The skis absolutely screamed “she would love these”.

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    Had a fun little package arrive today They are to be skied tomorrow with bluebird conditions and a hill that was shredded to pieces today, so things will be bumpy and tracked out tomorrow for sure. Should be fun giving the wrens/BG combo a true test as difficult condition day wreckers. Dunno why i remebered that the BGs were planks - they're not - the flex is pretty nice imo. The 88s are quite stiff, but then again, i do not know why i thought that a 10/10 rating would be anything but stiff. I've also thought about getting some custom k98s, but i think i have landed on a different solution for now - repurposing another ski from the quiver for that use.

    The 88s will be mounted with p14s, while the wren/BG combo will probably get shifts as soon as they are made available to us mere mortals - tectons for now for added flexibility. I think i will end up selling the 184 wren108/BG quiver again and hold on to the 179s if tomorrow proves PowTron correct wrt length Based on today's riding with true 176cm skis, it will not be a huge surprise if he was/is bang on.

    As much as the wren108s in 184 were fun to ride today, the true stars of the day were my bmt122s. I had originally decided to sell em, but gave em a second go and glad that i did. They are freaking awesome, even if they could be even stiffer. Perhaps not the best thread to lavish praise on völkls, but i think it to be a really good ski - if perhaps not excactly on3pesque bombproof

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    and yeah, i also find the wren108s quite easy to ski and find that the tails release nicely. I really like em so far.

  8. #3108
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    Quote Originally Posted by The SnowShow View Post
    Are you looking to sell those K108s?
    Not until April.
    You should have been here yesterday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtskibum16 View Post
    I think they were primarily discussing the 108. My impression is that by design, the 88 is stiffer and more locked in for harder snow conditions. Not sure if there's less tail rocker on the 88 than the 108, but a stiffer tail would do that too.
    Same rocker on all three Wrens. Stiffness and turn radius changes with all three, however.

    Stiffest = 88
    Stiff = 108
    Kinda Stiff = 98

    You should have been here yesterday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undertow View Post
    My 191 Billy's mounted, but never skied are going up in the next couple of days. I have a heavily used pair (keeping) and SGs and need to thin the 115+ quiver...

    Sent from my SM-G955U using TGR Forums mobile app
    Sentcha a pm.

  11. #3111
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    FUNKY, my bad man... I am traveling and am with customers and kissing ass... Unfortunately I need said customers to pay for my bloated quiver. So like the saying bros before hoes - customers before fellow mags. I will be home tomorrow and will respond to all PMs...

    And for those that asked here is a pic of the said 191 Unicorn skis... Mounted on the line for a 325 bsl...



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  12. #3112
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2FUNKY View Post
    Sentcha a pm.
    17 people probably did

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattig View Post
    17 people probably did

    Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
    I also owe you a response mattig... I will say this - if 189 98 Wrens performed the way you said they did I would hold out for another run of SGs in a stiff version...

    I will provide more detail in my PM to you...

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  14. #3114
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    Quote Originally Posted by N1CK. View Post
    What is your bsl?
    It is a 316.

    Quote Originally Posted by PowTron View Post
    I have a brand new pair of K108 186 demos that just popped into my garage last weekend...just saying. I also have two pair of my own BG;s we could probably get you on, too.
    I may need to try a pair of BGs and the K108 this coming Monday when I ditch work. I’ll hit you up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    .

    ...if tomorrow proves PowTron correct wrt length Based on today's riding with true 176cm skis, it will not be a huge surprise if he was/is bang on.
    Search your feelings. You know this to be true.

    Have fun!
    You should have been here yesterday!

  16. #3116
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    Quote Originally Posted by MJbumper1121 View Post
    It is a 316.



    I may need to try a pair of BGs and the K108 this coming Monday when I ditch work. I’ll hit you up...

    I have 184cm BG and W108 mounted for 325. 316 will fit. If you don't mind being half a cm forward you're welcome to try 'em someplace local.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyskier View Post
    We sort of did for awhile - 166/176. When we had those sizes around they sold.......well they didn't really sell. That said - we are talking about offering it in a SuperGoat-esc capacity thru the Champagne Room - basically preorder only - one run/year. Would be updated to 164/174. From a design aspect - some of the baseline is already in place so it wouldn't be a ton of work to get the skis update to current RES specs & asymmetry. That said, would have to be notable presale interest for us to completely dive into it. We were already building SuperGoats for athletes and it still took a preorder to make the production time make sense, so a bit more to it on this one. So, yeah, we're talking about it, though we use a different internal working name than the Nanny Goat (Bhaaaaad Bitch 🐐 ). Not sure under what branding the ski would go to production though.
    Definitely interested

  18. #3118
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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyskier View Post
    We sort of did for awhile - 166/176. When we had those sizes around they sold.......well they didn't really sell. That said - we are talking about offering it in a SuperGoat-esc capacity thru the Champagne Room - basically preorder only - one run/year. Would be updated to 164/174. From a design aspect - some of the baseline is already in place so it wouldn't be a ton of work to get the skis update to current RES specs & asymmetry. That said, would have to be notable presale interest for us to completely dive into it. We were already building SuperGoats for athletes and it still took a preorder to make the production time make sense, so a bit more to it on this one. So, yeah, we're talking about it, though we use a different internal working name than the Nanny Goat (Bhaaaaad Bitch ). Not sure under what branding the ski would go to production though.
    With all this talk of short Billy Goats I have a confession to make. This old guy at 5’4”, 155lbs is riding Wren 98, Steeple 102 and now 16-17 Billy Goats at 174. I know this is heresy for TGR but hey they work for me. This is the 3rd season for the Steeples and for me they have plenty of float and stability. They’ve been my soft snow ski but I’ve had my eye on the Billy Goats at a local shop and when the price was right I just had to pull the trigger. I’ve got about 10 days on the Wren 98’s. Even at a weenie 174 they’re are plenty stable for the speeds I feel comfortable with. To me the main characteristic of the ski is the way they finish the turn. The tails just lock in. That said it seems all I have to do is think it and they release.

  19. #3119
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    Had a fun little package arrive today They are to be skied tomorrow with bluebird conditions and a hill that was shredded to pieces today, so things will be bumpy and tracked out tomorrow for sure. Should be fun giving the wrens/BG combo a true test as difficult condition day wreckers. Dunno why i remebered that the BGs were planks - they're not - the flex is pretty nice imo. The 88s are quite stiff, but then again, i do not know why i thought that a 10/10 rating would be anything but stiff. I've also thought about getting some custom k98s, but i think i have landed on a different solution for now - repurposing another ski from the quiver for that use.

    The 88s will be mounted with p14s, while the wren/BG combo will probably get shifts as soon as they are made available to us mere mortals - tectons for now for added flexibility. I think i will end up selling the 184 wren108/BG quiver again and hold on to the 179s if tomorrow proves PowTron correct wrt length Based on today's riding with true 176cm skis, it will not be a huge surprise if he was/is bang on.

    As much as the wren108s in 184 were fun to ride today, the true stars of the day were my bmt122s. I had originally decided to sell em, but gave em a second go and glad that i did. They are freaking awesome, even if they could be even stiffer. Perhaps not the best thread to lavish praise on völkls, but i think it to be a really good ski - if perhaps not excactly on3pesque bombproof

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    and yeah, i also find the wren108s quite easy to ski and find that the tails release nicely. I really like em so far.
    I have a pair of volkl bmt 109s that I absolutely love, but I've gotten two core shots skiing at big Sky this winter and realize I could ruin these skis if I keep riding them inbounds.

    I'm becoming interested in the W108's. How do your BMT's compare with the W108?

    I ski a mix of tight steep chutes at Bridger and bigger more open terrain at Big Sky and need a ski that can turn quickly and easily but still be stable. Am I looking in the right place?

    My knees are trashed so I can't really go wider for when it gets firm or for groomers, and I have a hard snow ski so these would be for powder/soft only.

  20. #3120
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    Quote Originally Posted by WMD View Post
    I ski a mix of tight steep chutes at Bridger and bigger more open terrain at Big Sky and need a ski that can turn quickly and easily but still be stable. Am I looking in the right place?

    My knees are trashed so I can't really go wider for when it gets firm or for groomers, and I have a hard snow ski so these would be for powder/soft only.
    Given your desire for a soft-snow ski that's a bit narrower, you might consider a custom Steeple 108 in the standard (non-touring) layup. Just a thought.
    "Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers

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    Quote Originally Posted by rainy512day View Post
    With all this talk of short Billy Goats I have a confession to make...
    Fuck it. Ride what works. Go skiing with your friends. Don’t worry about it.

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    I’m gonna finally pop the cherry on my K108’s this weekend. I have high hopes for a good time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alias_rice View Post
    I’m gonna finally pop the cherry on my K108’s this weekend. I have high hopes for a good time.

    I commented earlier in this thread, but man...that is just the best topsheet ever!
    It makes perfect sense...until you think about it.

    No thanks. I'll stick with porn. - Benny

  24. #3124
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    Question regarding Kartel mount points:

    Would mounting back 1-2 cm give the ski a slightly more "traditional" feel for intermediate skiers or would it be unadvisable? The reason I ask... I'm considering a Kartel 98/108 mounted with demo bindings on the line for my BSL of 316 but have family that come to visit with 330+ bsl's and I would like to have a ski to accomodate them. Also a progressive, center mounted ski that is as versatile as the Kartel sounds would be a fun experiment for me.
    Common sense. So rare today in America it's almost like having a superpower.

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    Demo binders usually adjust forward and backward of center, so they'll likely be pretty close to center. Plus, IIRC, a few members on here have had decent luck mounting slightly rearward. So I'd say go for it.
    "Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers

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