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Thread: ON3P SKIS Discussion
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08-19-2021, 10:10 PM #11351
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08-19-2021, 10:23 PM #11352
Day late n a dolla short
I'm in a similar situation.. if someone drops a pic of a custom white top w/ white sidewalls and it looks like I think it would, I would also be full on...
want to see those white tops w/ red sidewalls as well.. at least one of you mofos has em
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08-19-2021, 10:41 PM #11353Banned
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08-20-2021, 03:21 AM #11354Registered User
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Yeah, it will be interesting to see if you feel any differences with these. I have never understood your misgivings about the asym as my understanding of the shape and my rudimentary understanding of basic physics would cause the polar opposite behavior to the one I seem to remember that you experience, but you know what you feel - so I am not second guessing that. We are at the opposite end of the clyde spectrum, so our experiences of a ski should be quite different too.
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hm, I can't recall seeing that. I find that black sidewalls frame white topsheets soooo well, though an accenting sidewall that matches the base would be sweet. Like a red sidewall and duck camo base - oh my.
I also think it is pretty neat that the various "real" camo topsheets - woodland/desert/duck/frog/sleet (not sure about this one)/tiger/dazzle - all are historic US camo patterns from WW2, Korea and Vietnam. Nice way of paying homage to past sacrificies while looking good. Hm, I didn't know that the duck camo topsheet went all the way back to 2012 - lots of up close pics in the "Jiberish for ON3P Jeffrey" album on Facebook, just factor in extra vibrancy to the graphic from the updated textured topsheets.
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08-20-2021, 09:16 AM #11355Registered User
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Anybody know the story behind the "mango sunrise" topsheet (e.g. what's up with the constellation?, why a mango in space?, why's it named after a tropical cocktail?, etc.)?
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08-20-2021, 09:39 AM #11356
ON3P SKIS Discussion
Jake Mageau (goes by mango) graphic. He probably wanted a space graphic with a mango as the sun, so they called it mango sunrise
https://youtu.be/nHkUMkUFuBc
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08-20-2021, 11:41 AM #11357Banned
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I feel like I'm speaking a foreign language when I talk about it, no one understands me. I actually feel each side of the ski performs differently. Maybe I'm missing something, but aren't the inside and the outside supposed to perform differently, isn't that the point of asym?
I don't like it once the softer stuff gets packed or slushy. When I'm noodling around, I dont mind. But when I'm tearing long radius turns down some steep face, I want each side of my ski to perform the same, it's much more predictable for me at speed. I don't want one side pulling me off one direction slightly more, that's what I'm feeling is happening.
I don't feel any catchiness or anything, I only experience on side of the ski pulling across the fall line more than the other, and only when the fresh snow gets tracked up quite a bit. I didn't feel this on the first gen asym C&D, but I did every other asym ski I've tried.
Keeping all this in mind, I know to just use BGs in less tracked snow, and not the day after the storm. They're not really for that anyway, so this is all kind of moot, but I could ski my 2017 BGs the day after a storm. These also could be more like the C&Ds that I had, and I may not even feel it. That's what I'm hoping for.
P.S. This has all led to me being afraid of the Katana 108 and this triple radius, even though they aren't similar designs. With the Katana 108, now I'm not afraid of asym, but the underfoot area of both sides of the ski pulling me further across the fall line when I don't want them too. I've heard this from some, not all, and it's also on the blister podcast from the guy who really likes Monster 108s. Like you accidentally weight the middle part of the Katana 108, and the ski pulls you 5 ft in the wrong direction when you just wanted to go straight.
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08-20-2021, 11:49 AM #11358
I think I know exactly what you’re describing here, I have felt it too. It might come down to a style thing, but it sounds like you’re equally weighting each ski (2-footed skiing, nothing wrong with this, I am not denigrating your technique in any way. I’m no position to do so). I do the same thing a lot of the time too, provides a lot of stability. Anyway, I too have felt the uphill ski pull a more aggressive arc than the downhill ski sometimes (on my C&D’s and on other asym skis I’ve tried like the Marksman). While I have noticed it, it doesn’t bother me a whole lot as I just adjust my weight distribution and shift more weight to the downhill ski. Not necessarily an intuitive thing, though, so I think I get where you’re coming from on this point.
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08-20-2021, 11:51 AM #11359
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08-20-2021, 12:03 PM #11360Banned
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I always used my BGs the day after the storm, especially when shit gets funky and refrozen or crusty. 2015s and especially 2017s. Viciks and Wrens were definitely better for most days after a storm though, for me anyways.
I didn't feel like I could use my Supergoats in this manner, like I could the 2015 or 2017 BGs.
I'm hoping I can use the 2021s in this way.
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08-20-2021, 12:07 PM #11361Registered User
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yeah, I've had the same feeling, but only with full rocker skis on hard snow. If you weight them the same the inside ski becomes a squirrelfest / really turny - easy fix though, proper technique in my case
I've never had the same feeling when on BGs, like nothing close to it, but then again I am on 84s at 67kg nekkid, so again, my experience is going to be very different, especially at larger speeds. I've always liked the asym from a design standpoint, so will be interesting to see if the asym and new BG118 skis different in a very noticable manner (though I kinda think that more supportive tails will make for most of the effect, not the absence of asym). Still, thanks for vocalizing your experiences in a nuanced manner - much appreciated!
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08-20-2021, 12:13 PM #11362Banned
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I do agree it could be my form. I'm a freaking ape, I have no form.
I talk a lot about it, but it's not the most unpredictable thing I've felt on skis. It's not harmful in anyway, and if I pay attention to it the whole time I can minimize. It's more that I just prefer skis with sidecut that doesn't have any of that going on.
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08-20-2021, 12:51 PM #11363Registered User
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MHSP is exactly correct and I’ve mentioned the same thing before. On firm snow, you need to weight the downhill ski more heavily in order to avoid engaging the uphill ski’s outside edge too much.
Personally, I thought my asym BGs skied maybe marginally better than my old non-asyms (but still RES), but they do prefer slightly different technique based on the snow conditions, which can be tricky if you’re not putting a ton of data on them or if it doesn’t fit your personal technique.
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08-20-2021, 12:55 PM #11364Banned
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I think it's time for me to sell my hardtail
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08-20-2021, 02:32 PM #11365
Haven't seen you ski, and I as well am in no position to critique.. but if you watch Sean Pettit and other K2 athletes from a few years ago on the Catamaran, you can actually see the downhill ski, especially the tips, being "pushed uphill" back into the uphill ski when making certain style of turns. The way the ski is shaped, it makes sense that it could be getting slightly pushed back when there is not as much weight on the downhill ski in certain style of turns.
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08-20-2021, 04:21 PM #11366Undertow
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These 192 102 and 110 Woods purchased…. Some so stoked…! Thanks Iggy…!
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08-20-2021, 05:16 PM #11367Registered User
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08-20-2021, 06:32 PM #11368Registered User
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08-20-2021, 07:12 PM #11369
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08-21-2021, 07:45 PM #11371
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08-21-2021, 10:28 PM #11372Registered User
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Since the white on white had some luck...anybody got black tops with green sidewalls?
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08-21-2021, 11:11 PM #11373Registered User
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There was talk of RES being implemented on the Jeffrey this year. Did that actually happen?
if so, is it just the 118 or the 110 as well?
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08-22-2021, 12:02 AM #11374
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