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    Quote Originally Posted by gturk View Post
    I now have 6 days at Revy on Woodsman 92-186 ripper extra stiff. Coming from 10yrs on Viciks, BGs, various Wrens. I'm.... confused. On steeps/bumps/real terrain, the Woodrippers are phenomenal, basically a super agile Wren, exactly what I wanted. I cannot figure them out on groomers. On steep corduroy I can't slalom them, can't find a natural turning radius, can't lay them over into a proper carve, may as well be skiing 2x6s at a 40mph speed limit. On low angle or even slightly slick groomers they will randomly bite into a high radius 'turn' that is uncomfortably hard to break. It kinda reminds me of how my old 2013 BGs would lock into an absurdly large like 50m turn, except the BG was stable in that turn and the Woodripper is squirrely AF.

    Again, my basis of comparison is Wrens, most recently 2021 Wren 102 TIs and 2018 Wren 108s. On groomers, the 108s are great for what they are, and the TIs are imo legitimately great - last year I demoed some of those Bode Miller carving skis everyone was presumably paid to say nice things about, and I sincerely prefer the Wren TIs on groomers because they are so stable at speed.

    I plan to get them re-tuned, but any other ideas what is going on here? Is the woodsman THAT different from the Wren? Should I just shut up and stop humoring my wife with groomer laps?
    Unfortunately that sounds like the tune. Base grind

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    Quote Originally Posted by gturk View Post
    … Woodripper is squirrely AF.

    Again, my basis of comparison is Wrens, most recently 2021 Wren 102 TIs and 2018 Wren 108s. On groomers, the 108s are great for what they are, and the TIs are imo legitimately great….
    I own several of these skis as well. Currently have a Wren 102ti, Woodsman 108 and Woodsman 102, BG Asym and a new BG 118 (which I haven’t skied yet).

    My Woodsman 102’s were squirrelly AF on groomers but magic off piste, from new.

    I had my local shop here in Kelowna have a look and they declared them “significantly detuned”. They redid the edges on a 1d / 2d bevel, and they became my favourite ski. Still great off piste, but can now hold an edge on a soft(ish) groomer.

    Hang a fresh tune on yours and they’ll likely be the ski you wanted them to be.

    I find my Woodsman 102 to be a less-locked-in, more maneuverable ski, compared to my Wren 102 ti’s. The Wren has a higher speed limit, and holds an edge better, likely due to more torsional stiffness from the metal.
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    I was happy with BG tours a couple years ago. Didn’t ride lifts though.

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    Just ordered some Woodsman 108s last night to be a DD ski when its too soft (or I'm too lazy) for my FL105s, and too firm for my Asym BGs. Or I just want to carry one ski to do it all. Mounting on the line? I'm not really second guessing, but this is a good DD ski for multiple conditions, or fun charging?

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    PSA- Big boy size Wren 108 and BG on Bend, OR craigslist for good prices. Not affiliated with seller, nor do I live anywhere near there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mn_teleswede View Post
    PSA- Big boy size Wren 108 and BG on Bend, OR craigslist for good prices. Not affiliated with seller, nor do I live anywhere near there.
    https://bend.craigslist.org/spo/d/be...812158524.html

    189 Asyms for those interested.

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    Goat herd - Bearpaws, 2014 minty Facebook find, 2025 Mang-goats, and Casted Asym's. Still trying to figure out the 2025's...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonrider View Post
    Just ordered some Woodsman 108s last night to be a DD ski when its too soft (or I'm too lazy) for my FL105s, and too firm for my Asym BGs. Or I just want to carry one ski to do it all. Mounting on the line? I'm not really second guessing, but this is a good DD ski for multiple conditions, or fun charging?
    I’m on the WD110 but should be very similar to current WD108 save for mine having an extra cm of material on the tail and a teeny bit more girth …

    It’s my DD ski in low elevation PNW for anything that’s not crust or dust on crust, up to a foot or so. It can work in very deep snow but not quite as fun as other choices like your BGs. I think these are fun charging skis that can handle variable conditions and stay loose, but I’m also a 140 lbs somewhat mediocre skier on 182s, so YMMV. They are loose but driveable from the line or slightly behind. They can be overdriven ahead of the line and need a different stance/style.

    I’ve skied mine on the line and at +0.8cm and it’s pretty sensitive to mount point in my opinion; ~+1 is slashy, very fast to pivot and more fun in the air, but on the line has better suspension, finishes turns better, and drives/plows through variable snow with more ease, in my not badass skier opinion.

    What bindings are you thinking? My experience is that a high delta binding needs to possibly go behind the line a bit or get the toe shimmed. I started on the line with Pivot Duals (2mm delta) and loved them. I put Duke PTs at +0.8 and I absolutely hated it until I measured the delta (5mm) and shimmed the toes with a sheet of ABS plastic down to ~2mm delta. Now they are super fun again but I miss being able to drive them … I think I’m gonna move the Dukes to a brand new pair of Woods with a 2mm thick toe shim to get 3mm delta, mounted either on the line or -0.25cm. Then I will probably put my Pivots back on the line in the old holes of the current skis. I wouldn’t have (a) even tried putting Dukes on them and (b) bought a second pair if I didn’t think these skis were absolute magic for warm snow do it all / daily driving. The suspension is so good. The Pivot pair will be my resort DD and the Duke pair my travel (or dawn patrol and then go inbounds) set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gturk View Post
    the Woodripper is squirrely AF.
    Yup, it was the tune. First shop tried to tell me they were fine, guy at the Wax Bench in Revelstoke looked at them and took issue with the sharpness underfoot, the angle (apparently >>2 degrees?), and the extent of detune. Real eye opener as to how much the tune can impact a ski. Also thanks to everyone here for flagging the tuning issues, definitely gave me the confidence to insist they were wrong and get to someone who could actually find the problem. FWIW Scott called yesterday to check in after someone at ON3P saw my post.

    Anyways, with a proper tune they are working great! I agree with Marco888's comparison. There's definitely a lower speed limit than the Wren TI on groomers, but that's to be expected, the Woodsman are noticeably more stable than the Peak skis I demoed (only non ON3P comp I have). I'm 6-1 and ~200lbs, and glad I got the extra stiff option. I expect I'll ski these way more often than the TIs because of the maneuverability off piste, which is what I really wanted. TBD which I prefer when it's scratchy as opposed to just firm. I'm finding about 6 inches of light snow as the threshold where I wish I had my Wren 108s over the 92 Woodsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gturk View Post
    Yup, it was the tune. First shop tried to tell me they were fine, guy at the Wax Bench in Revelstoke looked at them and took issue with the sharpness underfoot, the angle (apparently >>2 degrees?), and the extent of detune. Real eye opener as to how much the tune can impact a ski. Also thanks to everyone here for flagging the tuning issues, definitely gave me the confidence to insist they were wrong and get to someone who could actually find the problem. FWIW Scott called yesterday to check in after someone at ON3P saw my post.

    Anyways, with a proper tune they are working great! I agree with Marco888's comparison. There's definitely a lower speed limit than the Wren TI on groomers, but that's to be expected, the Woodsman are noticeably more stable than the Peak skis I demoed (only non ON3P comp I have). I'm 6-1 and ~200lbs, and glad I got the extra stiff option. I expect I'll ski these way more often than the TIs because of the maneuverability off piste, which is what I really wanted. TBD which I prefer when it's scratchy as opposed to just firm. I'm finding about 6 inches of light snow as the threshold where I wish I had my Wren 108s over the 92 Woodsman.
    I have the 100's in RR. They are definitiely my new no-new DD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beeeom View Post
    Still trying to figure out the 2025's...
    Might I ask about how you find them to ski? I wonder if it's the same issues I'm having...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jvhowube View Post
    Might I ask about how you find them to ski? I wonder if it's the same issues I'm having...
    I posted my thoughts a few pages back.... I'll say that the tails are more locked in and aren't breaking away the way I want them to. Also the shovels are a bit more deflecty/chattery maybe than my beloved 2014's.

    I feel like the new goats perhaps have a higher top end and might rampage a bit harder in open terrain, but they don't seem to quite have the quick/nimble/ do any turn shape, anywhere, anytime, in any snow condition quality of the 2013/2014’s. I'm riding a lot of steep, deep, tight & featured trees and the new goats weren't the ticket. I'm going to keep trying though

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    Yah ok that's what I found too. The tail seemed very locked in and coming from wildcats with huge pivot/slash-ability due to the massive rocker lines, I found I really needed to pick up and place the goats. This made them too cumbersome in tight billy-goat scenarios - which I seem to often find myself in on Baker. The couple times I did point them and really push forward in my boots I could feel them wanting to go fast and lock in - but that's not how I ski. I think for a bigger skier who drives the boots they'd work a lot better - I'm but a wee lad at 155 lbs who skis very centered and likes slashing tails of my skis. I think in the side-country big open zones on Baker they'd shine, but I don't really go out there often - I've spent a lot more time bouncing down cliffs and short steeps in-bounds. I have a new pair of Wildcats on the way and will probably just keep trying to sell these (soon to be just flat). Make me an offer if you're interested.

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    Have either of you guys given the tail a heavy detune and increased the base bevel to 1.5?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    Have either of you guys given the tail a heavy detune and increased the base bevel to 1.5?
    I did some additional detune work on the tail, but kept it at 1

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    Does anyone out there have Woodsman108 50/50 layup? I've been trying to find any thread comments but no luck. I'm hungry for any feedback on and off-piste. Mostly, I'm wondering how they'd do on day-old leftovers. I've got stock layup 100s, but would like to go a little wider with something I can go for modest tours.

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    Guys, I put a day on my 2025 Woods 108s, and they were un-skiable. They were so bad.

    It seemed the tip would hunt around any time it was tipped over on edge, constantly choosing a new turn radius unrelated to edge angle. Then forced into the back seat because of this weirdness the tails would lock in and shoot you straight like you were on rails.
    I did an emergency detune of the tips and tails on a rock, and this helped a little, but still these skis and I didn't get along.

    Going to try to put an edge tune on them tonight, probably a 2/1, and also make sure they aren't mounted backwards, or some other nonsense...

    But what gives? And before someone chimes in with "its the archer not the arrow" I have a fairly good idea how to ski, and I had a friend comment the same thing yesterday, so I put him on the skis and he made it half a run before he angerly demanded his sticks back proclaiming "dude these are fucked".

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    hm, unfortunate that the move from hand tuned to Wintersteiger has resulted in what seems to be an enduring clusterfuck wrt tuning on products that otherwise are dialed for their inteded use for the most part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonrider View Post
    Guys, I put a day on my 2025 Woods 108s, and they were un-skiable. They were so bad.

    It seemed the tip would hunt around any time it was tipped over on edge, constantly choosing a new turn radius unrelated to edge angle. Then forced into the back seat because of this weirdness the tails would lock in and shoot you straight like you were on rails.
    I did an emergency detune of the tips and tails on a rock, and this helped a little, but still these skis and I didn't get along.

    Going to try to put an edge tune on them tonight, probably a 2/1, and also make sure they aren't mounted backwards, or some other nonsense...

    But what gives? And before someone chimes in with "its the archer not the arrow" I have a fairly good idea how to ski, and I had a friend comment the same thing yesterday, so I put him on the skis and he made it half a run before he angerly demanded his sticks back proclaiming "dude these are fucked".
    Sorry dude. Been there. It ain’t you. Sad that we are still hearing about these kinds of issues. QC for ON3P seems to still be in the shitter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhiler17 View Post
    I pulled the trigger on a woodsman ninety-two during the Black Friday sale. First day on it was today at Sunday River on cold firm conditions. Overall I like the ski, but the stock tune really limited them in these conditions. The edges are true, but are not sharp whatsoever. They also have an aggressive detune all the way to the contact points (surprised they went as hard with the detune in this ski since it’s more firm snow oriented). Tails felt really washy and the tips didn’t engage well as a result. Today they were not at all confidence inspiring. My hope is a tune will help them lock in, but I’m not stoked that I feel it necessary to take them to a shop on day one.

    Revisiting this thread to share my experiences were tune related as well. The edges were so dull from
    the factory the ski tech asked why the entire ski had been de-tuned. After they worked their magic and these skis RIP. So nimble and poppy while giving you something to stand on. The skinny woodsman is my new tight terrain low tide favorite, but less than stoked a tune was required out of the wrapper.

    I’ve been considering ordering another skinny Woodsman with the stiff lay up next season, but I’m reluctant to pull the trigger if the tune issues persist.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Yukonrider View Post
    Guys, I put a day on my 2025 Woods 108s, and they were un-skiable. They were so bad.

    It seemed the tip would hunt around any time it was tipped over on edge, constantly choosing a new turn radius unrelated to edge angle. Then forced into the back seat because of this weirdness the tails would lock in and shoot you straight like you were on rails.
    I did an emergency detune of the tips and tails on a rock, and this helped a little, but still these skis and I didn't get along.

    Going to try to put an edge tune on them tonight, probably a 2/1, and also make sure they aren't mounted backwards, or some other nonsense...

    But what gives? And before someone chimes in with "its the archer not the arrow" I have a fairly good idea how to ski, and I had a friend comment the same thing yesterday, so I put him on the skis and he made it half a run before he angerly demanded his sticks back proclaiming "dude these are fucked".
    Bevel issue. Reset, polish and detune to your liking should fix it. They don't necessarily need to be ground. Sucks, but a relatively small issue really(other than a shitty ski day)
    Just tune 'em dude, Woodsman's rip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post
    Sorry dude. Been there. It ain’t you. Sad that we are still hearing about these kinds of issues. QC for ON3P seems to still be in the shitter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    hm, unfortunate that the move from hand tuned to Wintersteiger has resulted in what seems to be an enduring clusterfuck wrt tuning on products that otherwise are dialed for their inteded use for the most part.
    What does "the move from hand tuned to winterstieger" mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dhiler17 View Post
    Revisiting this thread to share my experiences were tune related as well. The edges were so dull from
    the factory the ski tech asked why the entire ski had been de-tuned. After they worked their magic and these skis RIP. So nimble and poppy while giving you something to stand on. The skinny woodsman is my new tight terrain low tide favorite, but less than stoked a tune was required out of the wrapper.

    I’ve been considering ordering another skinny Woodsman with the stiff lay up next season, but I’m reluctant to pull the trigger if the tune issues persist.
    Thanks for that update, that's really good to hear. Have you had it on refrozen garbage snow (the kind with uninviting firm chickenheads) yet?

    FWIW, it can't hurt to let ON3P know about your issues and let them know your serial number. Best case they comp your tune and do a root cause countermeasure process. Worst case they ignore the report.

    Alos, I don't consider myself an ON3P apologist ... unreliable tunes would affect how much I'm willing to pay for a ski but not whether to write off the manufacturer completely, as a day in the shop can fix a tune - but it can't rework a core/rocker profile/geometry issue to make a mediocre ski into a great ski.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuco View Post
    It's not a product quality issue. It's a tune. I've gotten wonky runes from more than a few companies skis
    If it is so simple to remedy, why does it keep happening? Why does ON3P keep getting a pass for this stuff?


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