ON3P SKIS Discussion

[robnow]

For someone that like the wren in a 184 and felt that was the right size for them would you recommend the woodsman in a 187?

I think Iggy's point about building the 192 as a bonus may suggest to downsize slightly on the Woodsman, so 184 Wren, get the 182 Wood? I'm curious to know as well as I'm happy with the Wren at 189 and like having the extra length in front.

[TeleBeaver]

I think Iggy's point about building the 192 as a bonus may suggest to downsize slightly on the Woodsman, so 184 Wren, get the 182 Wood? I'm curious to know as well as I'm happy with the Wren at 189 and like having the extra length in front.

He also mentioned that they have more taper and less EE than the wrens, so maybe size up? I ride 184 wren 96s and would likely get the 182 woodsman 96s, but a 187 in the fatter versions. Its sounds like it is more of a playful wren than a chargier Kartel, and the shorter length will contribute to more playfulness.

[iggyskier]

I think Iggy's point about building the 192 as a bonus may suggest to downsize slightly on the Woodsman, so 184 Wren, get the 182 Wood? I'm curious to know as well as I'm happy with the Wren at 189 and like having the extra length in front.

I just meant it as a size that, from a sales perspective, we didn't need, but added because we wanted to. There are few of you tall guys out there that actually buy full priced skis.

Also re: sizing, it would go the other way (size up on the Woodsman from the Wren).

Regarding why we don't just make everything the same length - it's about fit on the platform for our sizing sets. A 184cm Wren 108 and 184cm Jeffrey 108 would ski very different length wise.

[TahoeJ]

They pick sizes based on what will cause the most consternation on TGR. Obviously.

I actually wish this was true. Let's fuck with these assholes... haha.

[iggyskier]

I actually wish this was true. Let's fuck with these assholes... haha.

Seems we do pretty well without trying.

[Sessiøn]

Just bored at work like probably most others on here and day dreaming about new skis next year. I'm just curious about it. Obviously they think it is important enough to keep bouncing around and having different sizes for different models.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with effective edge, turn radius, and rocker profile being different for different models. They probably just throw some chicken bones on a trashcan lid and try and decipher the meaning.

[grinch]

I'm curious , if when the custom sale happens. Is it possible to get a 179 bg or steeple without asym?

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[3PinGrin]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with effective edge, turn radius, and rocker profile being different for different models. They probably just throw some chicken bones on a trashcan lid and try and decipher the meaning.

lol, when I read that post I was like wtf???

[TahoeJ]

Coming next year, the 205cm / 155mm underfoot Chicken Bone...

[undertow2]

I just meant it as a size that, from a sales perspective, we didn't need, but added because we wanted to. There are few of you tall guys out there that actually buy full priced skis.

Also re: sizing, it would go the other way (size up on the Woodsman from the Wren).

Regarding why we don't just make everything the same length - it's about fit on the platform for our sizing sets. A 184cm Wren 108 and 184cm Jeffrey 108 would ski very different length wise.

Iggy as a 6'4" - 205 lber I appreciate you taking us into consideration... Still rocking my OG 191 Wrens, 193 SGs and no doubt the 192 Wood will be added... Not once have I regretted going long with your skis... As Powtron has said ON3P builds the best chargy ski out there that is not demanding...

Count me in for a 192 Wood... Not going to lie though my favorite ski to date from you guys is my 189 108 Wrens... What a fun, killer do it all ski...

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[mtskibum16]

I'm sure it has nothing to do with effective edge, turn radius, and rocker profile being different for different models. They probably just throw some chicken bones on a trashcan lid and try and decipher the meaning.

HA! Well that was actually the point of my post replying to the comment that I was thinking too hard about it...my point was there was a reason and thought put in to it obviously, not just being done at random. I was just hoping for more insight to the specifics. But iggy pretty much cleared it up. If you would ski a 184 Wren get a 187 Woodsman. Makes sense to maintan stability with a ski with more rocker and less effective edge, but then the point of the Woodsman was to be a more playful Wren, so wasn't sure if upsizing defeated some of the purpose. Thus my entire confusion with the sizing of this model. Damn it's been a long day, I need a beer.

[3PinGrin]

Damn it's been a long day, I need a beer.

Good answer!!

[SupreChicken]

Coming next year, the 205cm / 155mm underfoot Chicken Bone...

custom made for me and other 165 lb hacks.

[klauss]

Coming next year, the 205cm / 155mm underfoot Chicken Bone...

205 is simply not a prime number and 153 waist is easily a better choice.

Iggy, so on the woodsman, I reached out to you on other ethers-mediums. You holding out on me? Need to try that 192 woodsman fatty or mid fat. Is there a way? The search for animal chin and all

[Viva]

Good times at Taos with the Wrens.

[goolick]

I have a pair of kartel 116s and looking to have a two-ski quiver approach. For the other half I'm considering Moment PB&J, something in that realm. Is Kartel 98(/96?) a good option or is that too park-oriented for the all-mountain half of a quiver?

[Brady586]

I have a pair of kartel 116s and looking to have a two-ski quiver approach. For the other half I'm considering Moment PB&J, something in that realm. Is Kartel 98(/96?) a good option or is that too park-oriented for the all-mountain half of a quiver?

I use the Kartel 96 as my DD and am super happy with it. Strikes a good balance between damp/stout and playful for me.
I've got a Brahma for icier days since Kartel gets a bit scary on ice at speed, and if you are always railing at 50mph+ there are other more appropriate options. That said Kartel 96 doesn't give up too much and serves great all mountain.

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[Cladragon04]

Good times at Taos with the Wrens.

Taos has been pretty good this year


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[kid-kapow]

Good times at Taos with the Wrens.

nice choice of top sheet good sir - I see we went down the same route. I can report on loving my 179s equally much. #favoriteski

[grinch]

nice choice of top sheet good sir - I see we went down the same route. I can report on loving my 179s equally much. #favoriteski

Have you been on BG's? Wondering how the 114's compare to bg's. Wrens still ok in the trees?

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[TahoeJ]

Have you been on BG's? Wondering how the 114's compare to bg's. Wrens still ok in the trees?

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Wrens in general are not as good in the trees as BG’s. They’re fine but you do have to be on top of them. BG’s are more nimble.

[grinch]

Wrens in general are not as good in the trees as BG’s. They’re fine but you do have to be on top of them. BG’s are more nimble.

Thanks J, I'm tempted. Didn't want to stray from the design of my steeple 102's too much, I'm sure the asym on the bg helps but I'm a lazy tuner so I'd like to have the option of just swapping which feet my skis are on for a fresh edge. New rocker profile on the wren looks like its gained a bunch of versatility

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[CaliBrit]

Thanks J, I'm tempted. Didn't want to stray from the design of my steeple 102's too much, I'm sure the asym on the bg helps but I'm a lazy tuner so I'd like to have the option of just swapping which feet my skis are on for a fresh edge. New rocker profile on the wren looks like its gained a bunch of versatility

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Much better skiers than J give the wren a thumbs up in the trees. It’s got allot of rocker.

[grinch]

Much better skiers than J give the wren a thumbs up in the trees. It’s got allot of rocker.

I'm down with a healthy dose of rocker and splay. My steeples are short but never worry about them torpedoing in any condition. Not stiff but not noodles either. Perfect for touring apart from a little extra heft. I'd welcome a stiffer wider ski with similar rocker and splay on the hill. I do end up in the trees quite often though so good to know. I typically like the high 20 radius skis

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good turns