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  1. #10651
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quandary View Post
    Definitely ON3P more soft snow/park oriented. But say the Wren 102 TI, sure it has rocker, but I would think most people look at that as a daily driver low tide ski. I would want a good bite in firm snow. A 1/2 bevel at minimum would work better. As an example I bought a pair of Praxis 9D8s last year, fantastic skis 1/1 factory bevel. Change the tune to 1/2 and got significantly more edge bite in hard snow with zero sacrifice to soft snow performance. Made a really good ski even better.
    Fair, but for my Jeff108s, I am assuming the 1d/1d meets the skiing style the ski assumes better than a carving edge. I just changed the edge from a 1/2 that someone had put on it to a 1/1. I have skis that carve better if it's a true firm ripper day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quandary View Post
    Definitely ON3P more soft snow/park oriented. But say the Wren 102 TI, sure it has rocker, but I would think most people look at that as a daily driver low tide ski. I would want a good bite in firm snow. A 1/2 bevel at minimum would work better. As an example I bought a pair of Praxis 9D8s last year, fantastic skis 1/1 factory bevel. Change the tune to 1/2 and got significantly more edge bite in hard snow with zero sacrifice to soft snow performance. Made a really good ski even better.
    Most people can't even tell if their edges are sharp much less notice 1* difference on the side edge bevel.

    It makes much more sense as a company to send everything 1/1 so that manufacturing and messaging are both easy. Not worth the minor performance difference that 1% of skiers MIGHT notice. And those 1% of skiers are going to know how to retune their skis anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EWG View Post
    Fair, but for my Jeff108s, I am assuming the 1d/1d meets the skiing style the ski assumes better than a carving edge. I just changed the edge from a 1/2 that someone had put on it to a 1/1. I have skis that carve better if it's a true firm ripper day.
    I agree that that is a 1/1 ski, just as I would never change the BGs or the WD116s from a 1/1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrenalated View Post
    It makes much more sense as a company to send everything 1/1 so that manufacturing and messaging are both easy. Not worth the minor performance difference that 1% of skiers MIGHT notice. And those 1% of skiers are going to know how to retune their skis anyway.
    My point exactly! Is the "recommended" 1/1 or just the easy place for people to start from should they want a different bevel.

    However I disagree on your proposition that most people could not tell the difference. I think people that can ski well can tell. Certainly in 3D snow they wouldn't notice but on firm snow they would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAPHILL View Post
    I daily the 110 Pros. I think you値l like them .

    The tail is definitely there to support or show who痴 boss!

    Loved these at JHMR this season though. Took out the Supergoats for anything over 6 inches otherwise.

    Spent all season on these three:

    - 184 Steeple 103 + Hagan Core
    - 186 110 Pro + Pivot 15
    - 193 Supergoats + Pivot 15

    Rest of the quiver got negligible use.

    110 Pros are pretty dang versatile. I知 a fan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IJK2009 View Post
    Funny enough, I re-listened to that Blister podcast this morning, with Scott talking about the Wren 110 Pro (link here), and realized my attempt to compare the 189 Wren 108 Ti to the 186 Wren 110 Pro was apples & oranges.

    The 186 Wren 110 Pro sounds burlier than the 189 108 Ti, so I think you made the right call.

    I hope they work out for you!

    I just got out on the Wrenegade 110 Pro and love them! It was exactly what I was looking for and suspect they'll become my daily driver. It was really soft spring conditions but the ski was super intuitive and could just bulldoze through any crud. They also pivoted better than I expected and were a lot more forgiving than I expected.

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    speaking of wrens...
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    I had a couple of question DM'ed asking me about the difference between the skis. I'll post a few more thoughts when I get a couple of days on them but initial impressions are the 110 Pros are exactly what I would expect (and want) in a charger. The 108's freeride rocker (especially in the tail) makes it a lot easier to pivot in heavy wet snow. (That said, the 110 Pro's pivot at least as well as any other similar charger I've tried.)

    The Wren 110 Pro's (186 cm) are on the left and 108's (184 cm) are on the right:
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    Thanks for posting the rocker pic. I could only find On3ps computer generated image.

    Still a bit more tail rocker than the last gen Viciks, but looks great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkiJitsu View Post
    The Wren 110 Pro's (186 cm) are on the left and 108's (184 cm) are on the right
    Thanks for posting the wren10pro profile - I have been more than a bit curious about how it would look irl.

    It will be very interesting to see if that more aggressive, yet still somewhat approachable profile ,will trickle down to wren102s for 2022 - or indeed, any of the narrower models.

    Are both of those mounted/positioned on the line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    Thanks for posting the wren10pro profile - I have been more than a bit curious about how it would look irl.

    It will be very interesting to see if that more aggressive, yet still somewhat approachable profile ,will trickle down to wren102s for 2022 - or indeed, any of the narrower models.
    +1
    In a narrower ski, I think the 110 Pro profile makes a lot of sense.


    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    Are both of those mounted/positioned on the line?
    * Correction *
    The 110 are mounted on the line.

    The 108 are demo bindings and I can't remember how they were mounted at this time. (I think it was 1.5cm back.) I found that on pow days, I liked them on the line, but with less snow I liked them back 1 to 2 cm.

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    The main reason I convinced myself that replacing my wren96tid+wren96s with mantra102s was to try a ski with longer effective edge and less splay while retaining titanal - aka a shape that I felt was a bit less soft snow biased (I am usually on 108-116 skis, so 102 is pretty narrow by my standards). That being said - I kinda regret selling the w96tis in particular though, but oh well, too late to do anything about it now. M102s are fun and quite capable, though something that is a bit more centered mount point wise - aka something that has 90% of the performance, but a fair bit more versatility/playfulness/balance in the air - could be an even better fit for that part of the quiver. I dunno - perhaps a pair of custom wood102tis is the way to go, maybe not - time will tell. I will have to look at the 2022 woods first and then consider if the wallet will allow any splurges

    Yeah, noticed the demo binders - re mounted/positioned specificity It was just a bit surprising to see that the bindings are further back on 186 wren110pros than 184 wren108s. I thought the former had a mount point at approx - 10.25 vs -9.25 on the latter which should place the bindings roughly in the same spot from the tails, but obviously not. Not that the difference is dramatic or anything - just interesting

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    Went skiing this morning with my wife, her BFF and her boyfriend. We were all riding our ON3P痴 today, was like an advertisement.

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    Empty chairs, april pow, wren98s...
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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Currently testing something a lot of you are going to fucking love...
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    You should have been here yesterday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowTron View Post
    Currently testing something a lot of you are going to fucking love...
    Judas poles?
    #ceaseanddesist

    ;p
    U.P.: up

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    Quote Originally Posted by stradissimo View Post
    Judas poles?
    #ceaseanddesist

    ;p
    Hahah

    Billy something or other
    You should have been here yesterday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowTron View Post
    Hahah

    Billy something or other
    When will this said ski be announced...

    #IalwaysEndUpBuyingWhatPowTronLikes


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    Quote Originally Posted by Undertow View Post
    When will this said ski be announced...

    #IalwaysEndUpBuyingWhatPowTronLikes


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    They passive aggressively just were

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuco View Post
    They passive aggressively just were
    Think of a mix of previous BG models, new lengths, and some other tweaks that I知 REALLY digging.

    Will post more details after today痴 mission.
    You should have been here yesterday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowTron View Post
    Think of a mix of previous BG models, new lengths, and some other tweaks that I知 REALLY digging.

    Will post more details after today痴 mission.
    Going back to what made the 2014 BG Perfect? Sweet...I知 going to order a dozen pairs!
    In constant pursuit of the perfect slarve...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowTron View Post
    Think of a mix of previous BG models, new lengths, and some other tweaks that I’m REALLY digging.

    Will post more details after today’s mission.
    Cool

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    Quote Originally Posted by PowTron View Post
    Think of a mix of previous BG models, new lengths, and some other tweaks that I知 REALLY digging.

    Will post more details after today痴 mission.
    Is asym. finally dead? Please say yes.

    ... Thom
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    crafting technology in service of music

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post
    Going back to what made the 2014 BG Perfect? Sweet...I知 going to order a dozen pairs!
    Yes, but these go one louder.

    Quote Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un View Post
    Is asym. finally dead? Please say yes.

    ... Thom
    Just mostly dead.

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    We talking flip switch technology? real bits of rare earths still?

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