ON3P SKIS Discussion

[eSock]

Did anyone else hear in Cody Townsend's most recent Blister Podcast where he mentioned Shifts ripping out of certain ski brands like ON3P because they're soft/flexible skis more often? Anyone here experienced this?

[rainy512day]

Did anyone else hear in Cody Townsend's most recent Blister Podcast where he mentioned Shifts ripping out of certain ski brands like ON3P because they're soft/flexible skis more often? Anyone here experienced this?

Yeah I heard that and I’m just about to mount Shifts on my Steeple 102’s. So if anyone has experience with Steeple’s and Shifts please chime in.

[jackattack]

What would make a shift more likely to pull out than any other binding? Sounds anecdotal to me.

[HAB]

Cody pretty clearly said that the bindings hadn't actually ripped out. The skis he was talking about had flexed deeply enough for the front toe screw to slide out of the slot it sits in, and pop the forward part of the binding off the ski. No actual damage.

Maybe don't take Shifts to the park, and do a ton of butters on them. Otherwise don't worry about it.

[SkiLyft]

2 years of skiing shifts on goats and C&Ds — no issues.

I don’t butter tho.


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[steveski]

2 years of skiing shifts on goats and C&Ds — no issues.

I don’t butter, yet .


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[iggyskier]

Did anyone else hear in Cody Townsend's most recent Blister Podcast where he mentioned Shifts ripping out of certain ski brands like ON3P because they're soft/flexible skis more often? Anyone here experienced this?

If anyone knows who this is, I would be certainly curious to find out. We've never heard of it (podcast was first time), and we have lots of athletes & factory guys skiing rounder (although I would argue not that soft) flexing skis (Magnus 112 protos, Jeffrey 108, Jeffrey 116) - almost everyone in a stock flex - with Shifts and have never heard of what he described. That includes guys who really flex their skis (Magnus, Mango, LSM). So if anyone knows, let me know! I will ask our guys too and update if maybe I just never heard about it.

[mr_pretzel]

I havent heard the podcast, but I assume he’s talking about shifts breaking at the middle toe screw, not the skis(norseman had signs of this problem on his Lhassa which are not soft).

He should probably look at his wet cardboard qst 118s then...smh..

[iggyskier]

Also, for those who have wondering (like I have been) how the titanal is integrated into the ti skis, ON3P kindly provided this pic on Insta today

Not all that complex. We route a channel of equal thickness in the core and the titanal nests inside so it sits flush in the ski.

Can anyone comment on the current order to delivery time on a custom?

Bit of stratification to date depending on what it is.
Most skis are running 20-25 days.
If it is a:
Wood Veneer - add 5-8 days
BG - Been mold stuck with tour cores out of stock. With them now back in, 184cm will get cleared and 189cm should start right after. Will reset times on orders going forward. 179cm...might not happen at this point as we're so behind with Covid. We'll see.
Tour - see above. Any open tours that aren't already in production will be in production next week. With material here, times will reset to normal.
Women's - Like the BG, we're just getting to the point in the production cycle where we're getting them into production at scale, so womens customs all going into production now. That said, it might be a one and done thing if we continue to see difficulties stocking our high volume models, like we are right now.

Yeah but we need real weights

Those are still accurate as averages.

We *just* Friday got our large tour core material shipment so tour production will be ramping up. As those volumes increase we'll get a much better sample size, so if weights migrate with volume we'll update. Now we just have to figure out where it goes...

Damn, shoulda kept up with this thread this summer. BG tour all sold out. Any chance of future runs this season? Guess I don't "NEED" them but I sure would want them.

I don't think they are really sold out for the season, they only ever had like one on the website. I think they are just a little behind on getting this year's skis built, understandably.

Most of our first round of tour skis sold out on custom or people emailing asking to preorder from the first first group. The delivery window on this Paulownia was a bit large, so been in wait-and-see mode to see how quickly it got through the ports & customs. Luckily was pretty quick, so we'll be updating inventory/delivery timeline this week. Any open 50/50/Tour customs are first up, but then will be 184 then 189 BG variants, then WD 108 Tour, then JF 108 Tour.

As for being behind, just cannot replace time. Things are returning to baseline, but we had our own internal Covid shutdown, a lot of time at 50% capacity, and 3-4 major (now resolved) supplier issues. Even so, I expect cold and flu season is going to cause havoc while people are out waiting for Covid tests (already run into this several times, all negative but better safe than sorry).

So right now, its likely that certain models never make it to stock production, others will be one and done, and we're just restocking our top 25 or so SKUs and doing customs. Right now we're sold out or close to selling out on way too many of our top 25 SKUs for me to be comfortable, so right now we're just sprinting as quick as we can through them to keep them in stock or available within 1-2 weeks of order.

It will be interesting to hear other people’s thoughts on the BG108 Tours once they’ve had a chance to spend some time on them. Ive been on the heavy version (Steeple 108s) for a few seasons now and was reminded how much I like them during the first turns of the year yesterday. My stoke for these skis has been essentially in a vacuum given the relatively low numbers produced and sold and where I live. I hope all the new owners end up as stoked as I have been with these boards!

I'll also be curious on 50/50 comparisons. We're pretty happy where those are coming in weight wise.

[iggyskier]

I have last year's 192 with masking tape on them, prepped for mounting. Should I mount back a few mm to "update" to the new norm? Or did the sidecut geo change, too?

I have last year's 182 and mounted them 1cm back from the line. I felt like that was right (for me) but can't compare to any other mount point.

The line did change for this year. I think Iggy said it moved 0.75cm back. I could be off a little.
Not sure if sidecut geometry was adjusted at all.

Same question. Was thinking of going 1cm back but my telemark mounting projects always leave me over thinking things. I am back about 1cm on my 2018/2019 Protos and dig it. Slightly longer tail than production.

Kid-Kapow's quote re the 182 mount question was originated by me regarding the mounting of W116s. I lean towards a more rearward mounted ski. Take the following as you choose. I had the skis mounted this summer by a fellow in Breck who has a tech shop but primarily makes his living as a patroller and has worked with RMU in the design of their skis. We had some long discussions about mount location for the Woodsmen. Based on the design, side cut etc, he very strongly recommended following Iggy's advice and mounting on the line. Which I did, hopefully it works out.

So when we move a mount, it does come with a wholesale change with an adjusted sidecut, core profile, etc. But the change we're talking about here - especially going back - is small enough that being slightly off those design elements is not an issue. So if you want a bit more tip, go for it. We felt that the balance of the ski could be a bit more directional, hence the move. That said, I am sure most of the people last year skied them at recommended.

Still probably too early but anxious to hear feedback on new tour construction. They are coming in really light. Almost too light for my taste. Im considering a Woodsman 108 (182cm) for a one ski touring quiver. But I am almost tempted to go with 50/50 construction as I like just a tiny bit of beef in my tour ski. My question is, considering the most of a skis feel comes from its core construction, and it appears the core is the same on tour build and 50/50 (50/50 just has the thicker bases and edges) does anyone have any thoughts or ideas on how the a tour build might ski compared to a 50/50. It looks like the weight difference could be significant (maybe 100-200g/ski) but given that that weight is solely coming from thicker bases and edges, I wonder if there will be much noticeable difference in feel??? In other words, you'll gain the weight, but will it really transfer to that much better downhill performance if the cores are alike...

It's probably no surprise that I've long felt you really cannot replace mass. So - yes - in our opinion there is enough difference to justify the 50/50. It's very similar to stock in flex (where Tour is a bit rounder), coming in around +200g/ski from the tour weights, and the additional base thickness does decrease how much vibration you feel.

As we've been building custom pairs for people at work, most have started wanting the tour flex and end up changing to 50/50 before it goes to press. Been pretty funny.

Do we have weights on

108 Billy Goat Tour
116 Billy Goat TOur

in 189?

As mentioned above, those weight are still accurate but we'll have another big group coming through over the coming weeks so as we get more data, we'll update.

[DumbIdeasOnly]

Still probably too early but anxious to hear feedback on new tour construction. They are coming in really light. Almost too light for my taste. Im considering a Woodsman 108 (182cm) for a one ski touring quiver. But I am almost tempted to go with 50/50 construction as I like just a tiny bit of beef in my tour ski. My question is, considering the most of a skis feel comes from its core construction, and it appears the core is the same on tour build and 50/50 (50/50 just has the thicker bases and edges) does anyone have any thoughts or ideas on how the a tour build might ski compared to a 50/50. It looks like the weight difference could be significant (maybe 100-200g/ski) but given that that weight is solely coming from thicker bases and edges, I wonder if there will be much noticeable difference in feel??? In other words, you'll gain the weight, but will it really transfer to that much better downhill performance if the cores are alike...

If you remember the “bastard” Renegade debacle (where J-Lev managed to make a very soft renegade by accident) my recollection is it came largely from a thinner base material. I mention this just because I wouldn’t be so quick to ignore “just” thicker bases in terms of flex.

Iggy is obviously a vastly more reliable source than that but in case you wanted an anonymous idiot on the internet’s $.02 too (moreover an idiot that has never touched the skis in question)...

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Thx, iggy

[Norseman]

Yeah thanks for chiming in on all these points despite the scene down there.

Ended up mounting the 192 WD 108 at -8mm from the mark.

[iggyskier]

If anyone knows who this is, I would be certainly curious to find out. We've never heard of it (podcast was first time), and we have lots of athletes & factory guys skiing rounder (although I would argue not that soft) flexing skis (Magnus 112 protos, Jeffrey 108, Jeffrey 116) - almost everyone in a stock flex - with Shifts and have never heard of what he described. That includes guys who really flex their skis (Magnus, Mango, LSM). So if anyone knows, let me know! I will ask our guys too and update if maybe I just never heard about it.

For those curious, apparently this was the post Cody was referring to. Ski was a 186cm Wrenegade 112 on 3rd set of holes....so....yeah.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...3p#post5820975

[mr_pretzel]

For those curious, apparently this was the post Cody was referring to. Ski was a 186cm Wrenegade 112 on 3rd set of holes....so....yeah.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...3p#post5820975

And overlapping holes at that, LOL.

[bry]

Hilarious. Glad this was tracked down.

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[jackattack]

I think that one can be attributed to the mount your own fucking skis thread.

[Norseman]

The kid gnar_shralp406 skis hard.

I was slightly concerned by several stories of this same failure but attributed it to rippers above my pay grade flexing their skis deeply... then I saw on my own pair signs of high stress on the toe nubbin after only a handful of days.

There's too much force put through the nub, IMO. Thought about machining a set of steel nubs (what they should've come with) but sold the Shifts instead.

[Gnar_Shralp406]

For those curious, apparently this was the post Cody was referring to. Ski was a 186cm Wrenegade 112 on 3rd set of holes....so....yeah.
https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...3p#post5820975

Hey look, I'm famous!
Just to clear things up, I'm not really sure how the core rotted, if they did at all (yes they were on the 3rd mount). The ski has never had a core shot (mad props to ON3P, I'm hard as shit on skis. I love you guys) so I have no idea how moisture would've gotten in there. It looked to me like a good clean rip and crumpled the topsheet in the process as the screws ripped out.

I do think that the Shift mount pattern is a weak design, having only 2 screws holding the actual toe piece on and I would advise anyone who has a genuine concern of "being too rad for the Shift" to mount the toe using coils. Maybe this is how the Solly guys do it? I'm not sure.

And Cody, if you're reading this, you've been a hero of mine ever since your segment in The Way I See It. I hope your grandma is still stoked.

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[steveski]

no reason not to franken cast tyrolia tech

not plug and play but neither is shift

(couldn't resist trying some skifishbum stream of conscience)

[Gnar_Shralp406]

Pic of the 2nd rip out. Holes likely too close again. But they really let the top sheet have it that time haha. Anyway, this is likely a case of me and my friend trying to stretch my beloved Wrens too far. But I still maintain that the Shift 2.0 should have 4 mounting screws for binding retention.

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[Gnar_Shralp406]

The kid gnar_shralp406 skis hard.

Awww thanks Norse

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[kid-kapow]

Did that second ski snap in addition to the bindings being ripped out?

I have never fondled wren112s, but I would be surprised if "really soft" would be an accurate description of how they flex underfoot

[Muggydude]

184cm BG108T came in. Bathroom scale shows 1635g or so per ski which is much lighter than I was expecting. Maybe plus or minus 20g due to accuracy. Stoked

[HAB]

Woah. Way lighter than I would have guessed too.