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    Quote Originally Posted by Aus George View Post
    Hey Tron, I realise you aren't exactly the guy for this and I also guess you're all pretty slammed right now (lack of posts and such) but I sent an email about 2 weeks ago about trading in or swapping last years Wren 98's... I'm in no rush for a reply, like I said in the email, but I filled it all out on your contact page and just wanted to make sure you got it? I've had issues with the contact message forms in the past... A yes or no will suffice, don't need a reply or explanation!
    Betcha they’ll pick up the phone during business hours.

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    getting second hand w88 179s second hand isn't all that hard

    https://www.powder7.com/sale-skis/se...hp?q=wrenegade

    For your quiver needs i would probably go with w96s for the best of both tides - a perfect one-two directional punch from ON3P. Being ON3Ps they will never be magical on ice - due to the deep rocker profiles - but on everything from hard snow to all kinds of softer snow they will be pure bliss.

    That being said, except for punching through stuff, kartel 108s are pretty damn good directional skis as well imo - a bit more turny and caters even better to myriad turnshapes than w108s (i simply adore w108s! but they are a bit more all speed all the time). My one ski quiver would probably still be a stiffer k108.

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    Pulled the trigger last night on the wife’s new pow skis. After much agony, debate, back and forth with the voices in my head and input from the collective, we went with:

    179 Billy Goat w/ tour layup

    We decided to go this way because the length and feel will be more traditional for her than the progressive mount and relative shortness of the Jessie 108 (in 176). She likes longer skis, having more tip in front, etc that just made the BG make more sense; her W88’s are also 179. Since the guys had a few in stock, ready to go, saved me a few bucks over full-on custom. Plus, I wanted the free hoodie. Good thing the wife likes the stock BG topsheet! Now, to see if she notices the asym or not...

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    Hah - sounds like a win-win. Happy wife and a happy life with a hoodie!

    stock BG top sheet is absolutely awesome this year imo, as were last year's as well

    another solid one-two punch ON3P quiver Should be awesome. I do not think a w108 tour would have been wrong either, but they are a bit pricy as customs - even with the extra tee and anorak factored in.

    re the hoodie - it is kinda interesting following ON3P on Insta and seeing how people keep on asking "why can't we by tees/hoodies/etc", without going down the buying skis route (as most seem to already own on3p skis, and that route thus far is the only route you can go down to buy merch from ON3P). I not know if it is caused by unwillingness to deal with merch sales due to limited capacity or failed sales in the past, but to each their own i guess. An option could also be to open an order window with a minimum number of sales to make each size/print, but again, it might necessitate effort that is needed/better spent elsewhere

    and no - i do not want a hoodie or tee, i am very happy with "just" the skis

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHSP1497 View Post
    Pulled the trigger last night on the wife’s new pow skis. After much agony, debate, back and forth with the voices in my head and input from the collective, we went with:

    179 Billy Goat w/ tour layup

    We decided to go this way because the length and feel will be more traditional for her than the progressive mount and relative shortness of the Jessie 108 (in 176). She likes longer skis, having more tip in front, etc that just made the BG make more sense; her W88’s are also 179. Since the guys had a few in stock, ready to go, saved me a few bucks over full-on custom. Plus, I wanted the free hoodie. Good thing the wife likes the stock BG topsheet! Now, to see if she notices the asym or not...
    That should be a great choice for her.

    I emailed asking about soft goods to purchase and was told all the remaining stock is going with the sale bundles. So enjoy that hoody!
    Common sense. So rare today in America it's almost like having a superpower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    another solid one-two punch ON3P quiver Should be awesome. I do not think a w108 tour would have been wrong either, but they are a bit pricy as customs - even with the extra tee and anorak factored in.
    Thanks man! It was pretty much the cost factor that drove the decision, we talked about W108’s in a tour layup as well. Or even setup like her W88’s with stock layup but soft fiberglass and carbon. Ultimately, the ~$100 savings of the standard BG Tour won the day, the free hoodie was just gravy. Finally, she’s heard me go on and on about how much fun the BG’s are that she’s super intrigued to ride them. Powder has never been “easy” for her, so I’m fairly certain the BG was the right choice as it makes powder/soft snow super easy... At least it does for me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveski View Post
    That should be a great choice for her.

    I emailed asking about soft goods to purchase and was told all the remaining stock is going with the sale bundles. So enjoy that hoody!
    Thanks man! When I was at the shop a couple months ago, the stock of soft goods was really low. I get the impression they’re more of a pain than they’re ultimately worth. Thus the infrequent availability, but that’s simply a guess. I have no true insight into it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHSP1497 View Post
    Powder has never been “easy” for her, so I’m fairly certain the BG was the right choice as it makes powder/soft snow super easy.
    i mean, what can possibly go wrong with a big paddle up front and legendary busting through stuff abilities eh? I think they will be an awesome match making powder easy and enjoyable If nothing else, she will learn to pivot, so they should be just the right tools for becoming a better skier Will be fun to hear how she gets on with them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teenaged View Post
    PowTron doesn't work for ON3P anymore.
    I was in the same boat as you, I couldn't get ahold of the company directly. I wanted some info on mount points, and he was able to help me. But if it's a business thing instead of an gear question you'll probably have to wait.

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    Ahhhh thanks for that!

    Quote Originally Posted by optics View Post
    Betcha they’ll pick up the phone during business hours.
    In no hurry for an answer... But if it gets to that I'll pick up the phone 😉

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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    So...first day out. Skinning inbounds before the resort opens. 100 other people had the same idea.

    Plowing through chop with tectons, maestrale rs 2.0 and steeple 116 184s. They aren’t my 191 Billy goat, but they are a damn fine ski.

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    How do you like the tectons? Those might be the next binding I pick up given the issues between the shifts and my maestrale's.

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    They’re great. Haven’t dimpled my boot toe yet, but I also tour icier skin tracks with the toe in ski mode and I shaved the toe bump down a bit.

    Skiing is not like being in an alpine binding, but by far as close as pins have come, imo. It’s a nice ride. It feels like skiing, not like finessing. Functionality for skinning is great. Not nearly as fiddly as my old Dynafit verts or rads.
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    hm, does anybody have any feedback on jeffrey 122s? How does those ski compared to say a k116s or BGs?

    Their skape / rocker profile has me a bit interested in a pair sold locally, as they seem to be some pretty fun powder specialists, even if 186s might be pushing it for my size being 175cm/70kg. There might also be too much overlap with my current k116s, that are going absolutely nowhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    hm, does anybody have any feedback on jeffrey 122s? How does those ski compared to say a k116s or BGs?

    Their skape / rocker profile has me a bit interested in a pair sold locally, as they seem to be some pretty fun powder specialists, even if 186s might be pushing it for my size being 175cm/70kg. There might also be too much overlap with my current k116s, that are going absolutely nowhere
    I have 181 prototype tour core Jeff 122s, and 184 BGs from last year.

    Admittedly, I haven't skied either in anything more than boot deep powder. Comparing them based on the time I have on each, the J122s are definitely more jib oriented compared to the BGs. They felt more maneuverable in tight spaces, but that could be more because of the shorter length and more centered mount. They are both damp, but the BGs are definitely more stable. I'll add comparison pics layer

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    thanks man - I really appreciate it!

    What I like about j122s is their rocker-flat-rocker profile with a lot of splay mated with an healthy bi-radius sidecut (and the graphics are killer) - meaning they should turn well on edge regardless of snow types. They are kinda heavyish, but I think that will help the shape be more crud busting friendly. They just look like a ton of fun, and with the jury still out on me+RES j122s could be a surer bet for how I like to ski. Do i need them though? No, not at all - but it sure would be fun trying them though.

    Are those Cast modified STH2s?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    thanks man - I really appreciate it!

    What I like about j122s is their rocker-flat-rocker profile with a lot of splay mated with an healthy bi-radius sidecut (and the graphics are killer) - meaning they should turn well on edge regardless of snow types. They are kinda heavyish, but I think that will help the shape be more crud busting friendly. They just look like a ton of fun, and with the jury still out on me+RES j122s could be a surer bet for how I like to ski. Do i need them though? No, not at all - but it sure would be fun trying them though.

    Are those Cast modified STH2s?
    Yes, they're cast sth2s. They're a bear to haul up the skin track but fun for the way down.

    My j122 setup is the heaviest setup I've ever picked up aside from 200+cm downhill race skis. That's more the bindings, but the skis still have quite a bit of heft.

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    I have proto J122s as well, although I think mine have the inbounds core with maybe slightly softer glass. Paired with Guardian 16s, they are the heaviest ski I have ever used except for maybe OG 188 S7s with Dukes. They weigh a hair under 4kg each with bindings, I think something like 2.5kg flat.

    I have not skied any other ON3P ski, but I have skied these in a variety of conditions. They do quite well on firm snow, considering their width. They turn pretty easily in any snow I've encountered, including Cascade concrete. Their great mass makes them adept at crud-busting. I have had some of my best resort days ever on them, mostly in funky snow conditions.

    However, there are a few things I don't like. Mostly, I thought I would be getting spinny and jibby on my 122s, but they are so meaty I have a hard time in the air with them. My pair is also mounted pretty close to center, which means there's a lot of tail to contend with in tight spaces and not much tip to save me from going over the bars on landings.

    I ended up getting a lighter fat ski, so, unfortunately, mine are for sale: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...t=on3p+jeffrey

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    Goats gone wild

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    thanks for the input man.

    Yeah, I see where you are coming from wrt the weight. I would think that perhaps putting Shifts or some other lighter weight, yet capable binding would help a bit, but if it is the ends of the skis that are heavy then that might not help a lot and might just make them more cumbersome / unbalanced.

    My initial plan was to mount them with Pivots as i foresee about zero chance of me touring with them, even for slack country and to save on costs, but perhaps a lighter wide ski is a better option.

    Again, it could be that with k116s in the quiver already that j122s might be a bit superfluous for my weight/stature, but it is always nice to speculate eh. That rocker line seems mighty tempting though

    Nice Goats SkiLyft! Mine will get the same treatment before long as well - aka the full FOMO-treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    How do you like the tectons? Those might be the next binding I pick up given the issues between the shifts and my maestrale's.
    Not sure if true and don't know why I can't bring up a quote from another thread right now, but check out post#944 in official shift thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuco View Post
    Not sure if true and don't know why I can't bring up a quote from another thread right now, but check out post#944 in official shift thread
    So I’ve saw that post, scarpa and amer can come up with an agreement all they want but if they don’t solve the actual problem then it doesn’t really matter to me what the agreement says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman View Post
    So I’ve saw that post, scarpa and amer can come up with an agreement all they want but if they don’t solve the actual problem then it doesn’t really matter to me what the agreement says.
    In scarpas in the above post. I didn’t die. But I might.


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    Anyone have any input on hardpack performance of the Kartel 108 186 vs Wren 108 184? Also looking at the Moment Deathwish 190, if anyone has input on that. I'm consolidating down to a quiver of one since I'll be a grad student the next few years and want something that will still be fun if I'm skiing back on the East Coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terpskier View Post
    Anyone have any input on hardpack performance of the Kartel 108 186 vs Wren 108 184? Also looking at the Moment Deathwish 190, if anyone has input on that. I'm consolidating down to a quiver of one since I'll be a grad student the next few years and want something that will still be fun if I'm skiing back on the East Coast.
    Read the thread. Discussed almost as much as BG vs (insert ski here) comparisons.

    Kartel for more turn shapes. Wren if you want to go fast all the time.
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