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Thread: ON3P SKIS Discussion
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08-23-2019, 02:13 PM #7126
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08-23-2019, 02:29 PM #7127
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08-24-2019, 10:59 AM #7128
I have to say I find that kind of hard to believe. My BG's flex pretty damn stiff. Great for inbounds chop, but if I were taking them into the backcountry I'd happily have them flex 20% softer.
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08-24-2019, 02:42 PM #7129Registered User
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Ive looked for some reviews on the C&Ds but can’t find much besides older ones when the ski was quite a bit different. From what I’ve read it sounds like the C&D has become a wider BG. Do you own a pair? If you had to choose one to be the wider ski in your quiver would you go BG or C&D?
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08-24-2019, 03:42 PM #7130Registered User
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I have yet to try my pair (already posted but I think one more depiction is in order). If you need convincing i suggest you read Adrgha´s and MHSP1497´s posts earlier in this thread (look up their users) - they sure as hell seem to get along with theirs
And yes, C&Ds has morphed into wider BGs (identical rocker profile that yields a wider range of applications than the OG version imho) with tour flex as stock. Their tails are still very supportive, but RES+tour layup noses should make for awesome float. The change in shape//rocker has made them a bit more versatile.
If easy of pivoting and float together with bomber construction is what you are after then they should be surefire winner.
As for which I would choose - hard to tell. BGs seem more versatile and better at crushing through stuff. Yet my first pair of 179 BGs and i did not get along. I will report back after trying the new pair depicted above. I think they/BGs will make a lot more sense on my new home mountain than my last, and C&Ds should be an appropriate powder weapon. Time will tell, but they for sure are a bit different horses for different courses. If you live in a snowrich environment - especially with blower pow - go C&D. More variable and dense coastal pow, BGs are hard to beat.
Also - Powtron seemed to get along with his before he unfortunately wrecked his knee,.
https://vimeo.com/315367025
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08-24-2019, 03:47 PM #7131
Both... I wrote extensively about the Cease & Desist last season. Rode them a lot (19 days). Also have Billy Goats and 120mm Caylors. Different skis for different conditions, tho I rode the Cease & Desists WAY more. They’re rounder in flex, similar in quickness in trees, they float much better and don’t “plow” like the Billy Goat’s can in low-angle terrain. It’s far more likely that, in an average season, Billy Goat’s would be the right choice. I just got really, really lucky last season and didn’t ride mine much (1x).
tl/dr: Cease & Desist is a magnificent ski, just need enough snow to justify 124mm underfoot, otherwise a Billy Goat has more versatility.
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08-25-2019, 08:01 PM #7132Registered User
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@kid-kapow and MHSP, thanks for the feedback! I read through some of your earlier post and they seem like a good fresh pow ski.
I just got back into skiing over the last few seasons after a hiatus and ended up getting a pair Kartel 96’s in 176. I was looking to adding to the quiver for this season and had my mind made up getting a wildcat 108 in 184 but am still open minded for a deeper snow ski. C&D and the BG are definitely on top of my list, as well as possibly the Anima or full sized Wildcat.
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08-26-2019, 09:29 AM #7133Registered User
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08-26-2019, 03:36 PM #7134
I dailyd a 125 uf ski. I think versatility is more a function of the shape than actual width. I guarantee a Woodsy 124 would be waayyy more versatile, overall, than the C&D. But not necessarily more fun in the right conditions. Which is exactly why I asked Scott if one might be in the works.
I've since been enlightened on the existence of a pretty much carbon copy of my dream daily....
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08-26-2019, 07:24 PM #7135
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08-28-2019, 08:51 AM #7136
The great thing about the C&D’s are that they are so accessible and quite versatile for a big powder ski. Soft snow biased - yes...deep day only...not quite.
In constant pursuit of the perfect slarve...
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08-28-2019, 09:55 AM #7137
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08-28-2019, 01:37 PM #7138
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09-08-2019, 06:23 PM #7139Registered User
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Sizing question for the Jeffrey 96.
I will likely be picking up a set of Jeffrey 96s as an east coast daily driver. I'm 6'2" and currently ski either a 176cm park ski or a 188cm Ranger 108. The Jeffrey would mostly be a replacement for my current park sticks. I'll still be taking the occasional park lap, but most of my time is going to be in the trees or ripping groomers.
What do you think about the 181 Jeffrey vs the 186? I'm weighing tight-tree maneuverability / ease of spinning of the 181 vs the longer effective edge (east coast ice) of the 186.
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09-08-2019, 07:39 PM #7140
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09-09-2019, 05:37 AM #7141
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09-09-2019, 11:22 AM #7142Registered User
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09-09-2019, 01:25 PM #7143
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09-09-2019, 02:56 PM #7144
If you're worried about edge hold with the jeffrey, it won't matter if its a 181 or 186, you'll have the same issues on an icy day. I use the kartel on softer days or when there is a little bit of new snow whether its manmade or not. On the firmer days, I tend to stick to my wrens. I haven't skied the woodsman but it could be a decent best of both worlds ski.
I have kartel 181's and the issue I have on icy days has more to do with how the tails release, don't grab as much as my wren's.
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09-09-2019, 04:22 PM #7145
Would also agree Kartels can be a bit sketch on ice and hard pack. Anything soft (including groomers) is fine, but steep ice wasn’t a strong point on my Kartel 116s. Jeronimos (similar to kartel 98) were better though.
If you ski a lot of hardpack and don’t have a narrower ski in the quiver, woodsman might be the way to go
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09-09-2019, 06:05 PM #7146Registered User
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Was expecting to hear that they're not great on ice, but you all are actually scaring me off a bit. Keep in mind I'm used to skiing on some beat up Armada park skis (full camber though).
Is a Jeffrey 96 a realistic east coast quiver of one for all but the deepest days?
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09-09-2019, 06:23 PM #7147
Is there a reason you're looking at the jeffrey and not the woodsman or wren? If I was going to buy another east coast ski I'd be crushing the wren 96 Ti. The jeffreys like to be skied with more of a laid back approach while the wrens like to be driven and require more of a forward/neutral stance. The jeffrey will probably be stiffer than your beat armada park ski but it's not designed to be an ice ski. It can do it but other skis from ON3P would be a better tool.
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09-09-2019, 06:25 PM #7148
Skis that are good on ice: race skis
Skis that are not good on ice: beat up old Armada park skis
The Jeffrey may not be an amazing ice ski, but when your frame of reference is beater park skis, they'll be fine. Yeah the running length is shorter, but they're also most likely way stiffer torsionally. They'll do fine.Last edited by adrenalated; 09-10-2019 at 01:34 PM.
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09-09-2019, 06:56 PM #7149Registered User
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I'll still be skiing park on this ski (but a lot less than I used to). I've thought a lot about the woodsman or the master blaster but I'm not ready to give up the versatility of a full twin.
Still want to slide the occasional rail, land and ski switch pop off of rollers etc
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09-09-2019, 07:04 PM #7150
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