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  1. #3626
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    Which one do you have? 108 extra carbon?
    116 extra carbon, 186cm
    I also have supergoats, and a few other Owen3Ps I might be willing to let a mag take a few laps on. If you are around a 315mm boot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alfajores View Post
    179 will be really great for the doug firs. Based on your mass and height, I would go shorter by a hair.
    I bought 184s last night and already have a tracking number. If they end up being more ski than I want, I'll pony up for 179s.
    Thanks for the advice, all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undertow View Post
    BG, I just saw your PM and knowing the skis you dig and how you like to ski the 108 was the way to go... I absolutely love my 98s and they really do not have any weakness... Holds an edge like a champ and is fast edge to edge and prob one of my favorite bump skis... It does have a speed limit and this is where the 108 separates itself from its little brother... The 108 flexes stiffer and obviously skis stiffer with a higher speed limit... Does really well in junked up snow and is by far one of the best "narrowish" skis that is a blast in POW...

    I have said it before and I will say it again - ON3P knocked it out of the park with this Wren series...
    Couldn't agree more. Been really loving my 184 W108 this season. I've thought about what you might do to it to improve it, but nothing comes to mind.

    Really dialed ski.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Springskiin View Post
    If you are in Jackson or the area, you should jump on these stiff Kartels I picked up second hand. Had my first day on them and they were a hoot.
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    Glad you are digging.
    You should have been here yesterday!

  5. #3630
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Springskiin View Post
    116 extra carbon, 186cm
    I also have supergoats, and a few other Owen3Ps I might be willing to let a mag take a few laps on. If you are around a 315mm boot.
    - I am here for the stoke
    Sick! Since they are Powtrons I am going to assume they have the 22oz fiberglass too?
    Edit: they are not! Found the thread:

    ď186 Kartel 116, STIFF Custom Layup (double 6Ē carbon, tour profile) = canít order these ď

    Stoked to hear more about them when you get more time on them as itís forsure something I want to get on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyskier View Post
    TGR.Mag.Wren98
    TGR.Mag.Wren108
    TGR.Mag.Kartel98
    TGR.Mag.Kartel108
    TGR.Mag.Kartel116
    TGR.Mag.BillyGoat
    TGR.Mag.Steeple
    Just bumping these back up. Good through the end of the week. About to start flipping some promotional stuff on, so just wanted to make sure people had access to em if they are on the fence.

  7. #3632
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    Sick! Since they are Powtrons I am going to assume they have the 22oz fiberglass too?
    Edit: they are not! Found the thread:

    “186 Kartel 116, STIFF Custom Layup (double 6” carbon, tour profile) = can’t order these “

    Stoked to hear more about them when you get more time on them as it’s forsure something I want to get on!
    These skis go for sure. This in a 108 underfoot would likely be enjoyed by a number of you haha. It was technically off the PF Profile, which is in between the stock and tour layup, 19oz and double 6" carbon as Jay mentioned. I don't think we've ever made a pair with that core/layup before. Definitely a ski that likes speed.

  8. #3633
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    Do you think the Supergoats are too much of an overlap for my 191's? Kind of kidding

    But how much different is the stiff version of the Supergoats compared to my 191's? What changes would I notice between the two?

    I really love the 2016 top sheets, those are the Oregon topos eh?

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  9. #3634
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    5'7" 145lbs - good skier, ex racer blah, blah, blah

    home hill Big Mountain so tight trees and few open bowls but I do want this ski to perform at speed.

    current quiver-
    182 blizzard wrc cheater gs skis
    177 x-drive 8.8
    177 cochise (pre taper)
    185 volkl two

    looking at a wren 108, so 179 or 184.

    haven't been on an on3p since my og prebuy 186 billygoats
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eluder View Post
    5'7" 145lbs - good skier, ex racer blah, blah, blah

    home hill Big Mountain so tight trees and few open bowls but I do want this ski to perform at speed.

    current quiver-
    182 blizzard wrc cheater gs skis
    177 x-drive 8.8
    177 cochise (pre taper)
    185 volkl two

    looking at a wren 108, so 179 or 184.

    haven't been on an on3p since my og prebuy 186 billygoats
    Probably 179 for tight trees. I doubt you would feel lacking at speed in the open at that length.
    Common sense. So rare today in America it's almost like having a superpower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eluder View Post
    5'7" 145lbs - good skier, ex racer blah, blah, blah

    home hill Big Mountain so tight trees and few open bowls but I do want this ski to perform at speed.

    current quiver-
    182 blizzard wrc cheater gs skis
    177 x-drive 8.8
    177 cochise (pre taper)
    185 volkl two

    looking at a wren 108, so 179 or 184.

    haven't been on an on3p since my og prebuy 186 billygoats
    Use your Cochise for sizing the Wren 108. If your good with Cochise @ 177 the 179 will be fine

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    Agreed, 177 Cochise = 179 Wren
    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

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    I’ve never wished the Cochise was smaller, just worried with the rocker the 179 would ski shorter than the 177 Cochise.
    a positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort

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    With almost all of the big name brands, you can add 1-3cm in length to the ON3P's in relative comparison.... since they measure correctly. So a 179 ON3P is like a 181 Blizzard. At least usually, from what I've compared, I'm sure there are exceptions.

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    I went from a 185 Cochise to a 184 W108, for whatever that is worth.

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    My 186 K108 is 4-5cm longer than my 185 Cochise.

  17. #3642
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    Just pulled the trigger on the Wren 108 in a 184 after battling between the Kartel 108 in 186 or the Wren for a few weeks after skiing them both. Couldn't pass up the discount and wanted the current model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eluder View Post
    Iíve never wished the Cochise was smaller, just worried with the rocker the 179 would ski shorter than the 177 Cochise.
    I haven't been on the 179 W108, but if you like your 177 Cochise, I'll echo what others have said and suggest the 179. I got the 184 W108 this season to finally replace my first year 185 Cochise, and it skis similar. Doesn't feel short at all. I'm 5'11" 165lbs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eluder View Post
    I’ve never wished the Cochise was smaller, just worried with the rocker the 179 would ski shorter than the 177 Cochise.
    If anything the Wren will ski longer because 1) it is longer and 2) it has camber and you have to actually load the ski to get it to turn instead of just wishy washy pivoting around (assuming you have the older Cochise that as flat/reverse camber).
    Quote Originally Posted by Norseman View Post
    All ye punterz! Leave thine stupid heavy skis in the past, or at least in the resort category, for the age of lightweight pussy sticks is upon us! Behold! Keep up with the randocommandos on their carbon blades of shortness! Break thine tibias into spiral splinters with pintech extravagance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iggyskier View Post
    Just bumping these back up. Good through the end of the week. About to start flipping some promotional stuff on, so just wanted to make sure people had access to em if they are on the fence.
    Thank you for sharing as the code shaved $180 off of factory list Billy Goats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by auvgeek View Post
    The ski I really want is a 108-110 waisted, 27-28m, prog-mounted, med-stiff, even-flexing ON3P-layup ski. Kind of like a 110-waisted Bibby with a bamboo core, but with a touch less severe taper.

    Also similar to the current Jeffrey 110 I'm skiing, with the 25m radius. Not saying everyone will love it, but I think enough people are on the fence between a Wren and a Kartel that ON3P could sell enough pairs to make it worthwhile. But it's still in my head -- would obviously need to ski a pair to see if the experiment has any merit.
    I'd love a modernized (Kartel-ized) version of my old stiff Jeffrey 110's. Keep the extra carbon, elliptical sidecut, 25m radius, but add the Kartel's reduced tail rocker profile.

    Skied the K96/K108 since and definitely prefer the longer radius on the old J110's...it might be time to start your own thread to gauge real interest with real dollars to spend on this "dream ski" of yours; it has my attention.

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    ^^^ X2 It has my attention too.

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    I also have first year cochise 185cm and am thinking of replacing with new Wren108 184cm. Could you say a little more as to how they are alike/dissimilar? And I assume you are on current W108?

    Quote Originally Posted by crank54 View Post
    I haven't been on the 179 W108, but if you like your 177 Cochise, I'll echo what others have said and suggest the 179. I got the 184 W108 this season to finally replace my first year 185 Cochise, and it skis similar. Doesn't feel short at all. I'm 5'11" 165lbs.


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    ON3P SKIS Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by mda13c View Post
    I also have first year cochise 185cm and am thinking of replacing with new Wren108 184cm. Could you say a little more as to how they are alike/dissimilar? And I assume you are on current W108?
    Iíve got a lot of days on both, same sizes. The Cochise is slightly better on groomers, the Wren 108 is much better in powder (mainly the tips plane significantly better and slice back to the surface whereas Cochise has tip dive issues). Both are great in chop with a slight edge to the Wren. Similar skis, both like wide open spaces and going fast but are still easy to pivot in tight spaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    Iíve got a lot of days on both, same sizes. The Cochise is slightly better on groomers, the Wren 108 is much better in powder (mainly the tips plane significantly better and slice back to the surface whereas Cochise has tip dive issues). Both are great in chop with a slight edge to the Wren. Similar skis, both like wide open spaces and going fast but are still easy to pivot in tight spaces.
    I would disagree with the groomers part. The first year Cochise to me felt pretty lifeless on groomers, likely due to the lack of camber, and it mostly just wanted to go fast. But I have other skis for groomers, so I never really thought much of it. The Cochise was good in chop, if you skied it the way it wanted to be skied, and I found it fun in pow, though perhaps on the deepest days it didn't float as well as something with softer / more rockered tips.

    I think the Wren 108 does everything the Cochise does, but better. It has some camber, and I actually like driving it on groomers, if I find myself on groomers on that ski. It's good in the woods, it's good in open pow fields, it's good in chop, and I have decided I don't need a wider pow ski anymore. The tips float very well, which is something I value, as I like to drive my skis.

    If I had to pick something the OG Cochise was better at, MAYBE it has a looser "slarvy" feel due to the flat camber / full rocker profile. But overall, the W108 is amazing.


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