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Thread: ON3P SKIS Discussion
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02-21-2020, 12:33 PM #8226Registered User
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02-21-2020, 01:12 PM #8227
Blister usually posts rocker numbers with their reviews. So if they have reviewed the ski your after they might have what you need.
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02-21-2020, 01:50 PM #8228Registered User
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I own both the woodsman and billy goat. Woodsman is a solid one ski quiver board for targhee IMO. That being said. BG is one of my favorite skis of all time. Not great when there isn’t a lot
of new snow but it’s unreal with anything more than 3 inches of softer pow/variable/chop. Woodsman is much more versatile and can lay trenches l, great in pow as well (it’s got substantial rocker and is plenty wide) - it’s just not the pow speciality tool of the BG. Trying to sell/trade my 116 woodsman for a 108 as rather than going with a 116 as a one ski quiver, the two ski quiver of the woodsman 108 and BG covers about everything me thinks.Go Sox!
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02-21-2020, 04:11 PM #8229
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02-21-2020, 09:53 PM #8230
I really think 108 Woodsman and BG will be my main quiver eventually.
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02-21-2020, 10:45 PM #8231
My new quiver, will post pics as soon as they are all mounted:
184 Mindbender 99ti, p18
187 Woodsman 108, p18
189 BillyGoat, p18
190 Rocker2 108, Guardian
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02-22-2020, 08:00 AM #8232Registered User
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Just wanted to give a shout out to ON3P for awesome customer service. I've heard about it on here before, and just experienced it and it's the real deal. Thanks guys.
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02-22-2020, 09:17 AM #8233Registered User
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Little Wren 114 stoke.
I have had mine out in two 20+ inch powder days in CO and Utah in the last few weeks. I continue to be blown away by the stability but they also float really well. Much better than the Wildcat 118’s I had before. It’s a powder ski you can take out all day. I’ve also finally started trying some spins with them, at first the weight seemed like it would be an issue, but they release really smoothly on take offs and that I’ve been sticking almost everything.
Favorite resort ski of all time.
Dream resort Quiver:
Wren 96ti
Jeffery 108
Wren 114
Cease and Desist
The only ‘issue’ is that I really don’t need anything else. There are very few days I would not be happy on the wrens. I think a Wren 108ti and Billy Goat combo would be incredible.
One problem... If I ski these in tight trees for a few years chances are high I’ll bump something. They turn and pivot great, they just really encourage you to ski fast. My tree skis are Line Pescado’s so that could be some of what’s going on.
Honestly, the Wren made me a better skier... or at least covered up some flaws. I ski faster and crash way less. The platform is so solid that I don’t wheelie out of go over the bars nearly as often. They cut through everything, float and can somehow still slash nicely. They want an aggressive and very strong skier as a pilot... but damn hell of a ski.
6’2” (maybe 6’3”)
160lbs
189cm
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02-22-2020, 06:08 PM #8234Registered User
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Hi all, I was wondering if anyone here had experimented with mount points on the later iterations of the BG (i.e. with RES). I've got a pair of this year's BGs in 189 mounted on the line which I really want to like, but so far (~5 days), they haven't really done it for me.
I'm wondering if mounting at +1 would improve my experience; I know that there's a fairly small sweetspot for mounting with the RES design. I ski pretty centered (my DD is a 4FRNT Hoji) and likely don't drive the BGs quite as much as they need to be. With my stance, I find that they don't respond quite as quickly as I'd like them to. Any thoughts?
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02-22-2020, 06:18 PM #8235
Always on the line with RES. Seriously. BGs really don’t need to be driven and are better suited to a more centered stance. I’d give it more time or maybe they just aren’t for you. If you get to where you’re really thinking of moving them just sell them and find a different ski.
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02-22-2020, 07:06 PM #8236
Maybe iggy will chime in.....again. i couldnt find it but he had a post where he said the current skis could reasonably be mounted. I thought he gave less possible movement on the bg than woodsmans and jeffreys but still could be moved slightly. Im at +.5 on my bg's and res is still in effect. Was thinking i could probably go +1 even. Driving the tips no problem where theyre at now and im no jibber
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02-22-2020, 07:19 PM #8237
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02-22-2020, 07:31 PM #8238
Agreed — on the line for RES. Stop driving the tips, tip em over and fucking stand there.
For those of you who didn’t like the woodsman (I’m in that camp) just posted up a review on the Dynastar M-Free in the dynastar thread... it’s what I hoped the woodsman 108 would ski like (but didn’t).
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02-22-2020, 07:33 PM #8239
Ahh , if your more center mounted you are driving the tips less
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02-22-2020, 08:30 PM #8240
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02-22-2020, 09:07 PM #8241
Sure thing — really don’t want to go too much in depth but...
1. Tail felt too locked in while in deep NW type snow, on piste they tracked just fine but again seemed like a lot of work to ski and there wasn’t “life” to the ski.
2. Dead was another word that came to mind when skiing it, I didn’t have JOY while on the ski. Sure it skied just fine but didn’t make me feel like I wanted to push it. Dare I say planky — I really wanted to love it TRUST me. Because the Billy Goat is such a marvelous platform that will never be removed from my quiver! But I just didn’t get along with it — seems quite a few have showed up for resale so maybe some people will chime in.
Again these are really nuanced findings that others may not have experienced but these are my own feelings and you asked for them!
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02-22-2020, 09:08 PM #8242
Here it is. Now what is the actual boot center line on bg's ? Im -.5 on my steeple and +.5 on my bg. Edit: for last sentence in the post. -9 is recommended so at -8.5 im still in the sweet spot. Im at -1 on my gpo and thats about 1 cm forward of my bg's. Hesitant to f with them. I couldnt do without either ski
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02-22-2020, 11:30 PM #8243
I believe he’s listing the range the recommended mount point is marked on each ski...it’s different for each size. A 179 BG doesn’t have the same mount point as a 189 for instance. So he posted the approximate range of each line.
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02-22-2020, 11:47 PM #8244
That could be true. A big difference in the wrens then. That seems a bit much
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02-23-2020, 04:18 AM #8245
Perks of getting bigger. And let's not kid ourselves here. It *could* be someone from here .
For what it is worth, that is the quiver of most of the factory guys and team guys (outside of park skis) run.
For what it is worth, most updates for 2021 are structural and won't be sexy but are an update we've been working on for awhile (and has taken a lot of work to complete internally). Shapes overall very dialed.
For sure June/July. Maybe a bit earlier depending when we finish early dealer production runs.
We're on track on a product timeline to have this available come fall - but a lot of questions right now with any supply lines that run through China (bamboo). So....we're in a bit wait and see mode right now on it and exploring US-based options.
As best I can summarize it - BG is a real soft day ski, WD116 is a wider all mountain ski. WD 116 carves better, is more versatile in terms that its base level performance will be higher in all conditions, and will give you a traditional turn shape for those who like it. BG is a better powder ski. I view BG as more of a quiver ski and WD 116 as a ski for those who are skiing bigger mountains everyday (Snowbird, Jackson) and like a wider platform or for those who need more stability than a Jeffrey, but cannot make a ski mounted as far back as the BG work.
For what it is worth, I doubt moving the mount forward +1cm is going to alter the balance in a way that will help you. Design is predicated on a bit of forward pressing to engage the forebody of the skis. If you are used to skiing skis pretty vertically, it is hard to create the needed flex to engage the sidecut standing vertical. You don't have to be super aggressive on them to do so, but it does require a bit more forward lean that you are going to be used to on a ski like a Hoji.
We do have one team guy who skis his +2cm (Rex Shepard), but that is most certainly the exceptions in terms of where people like to ski them.
Out of curiosity, is this feedback based upon the BBI demo at Alpy?
What?Seriously, this can’t turn into yet another ON3P thread....
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02-23-2020, 06:39 AM #8246
@iggy - i was thinking your post gave a safe range that some people may move their mount and mtskibum thought it was the mount point variance in the different sizes of each model. That would mean evefy length of the wren has a different mount point. Looks like might be the case/not sure
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02-23-2020, 06:57 AM #8247
Following. Was something wrong with that ski?
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02-23-2020, 07:30 AM #8248
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02-23-2020, 08:08 AM #8249Registered User
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Sweet - thanks for the update!
C&D day for me today. Bluebird-ish, lots of snow after a big storm and stoke through the roof in spite of being a bit under the weather.
On a side note, I've spent a few days on Wildcat108s over the past week. I must admit to preferring Woodsman108s over Wildcat108s. Wildcats are fun on groomers, but get knocked around quite a bit more in variable. While I haven't tried them back to back, my take so far is that you do not gain enough playfulness to make up for the loss in stability when going from a wood to wild. Using wildcat108s also makes me even more curious on how a jeffrey108 that is custom stiffer and mounted 2cm back would ride, especially as I am finally starting to make sense of my custom stiffer k116s .
The main takeaway so far is that I am considering remounting my wood108/116s with Shifts over Castified Pivots (Shifts work better with the XTDs I mainly use) - or perhaps I should get a second pair of wood108s this summer. Dunno. Prob can't afford the latter.
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02-23-2020, 08:32 AM #8250
ON3P SKIS Discussion
Nah, if I recall that was a pre-production W116, since then I’ve stepped in the 108 and 116 on two different occasions.
As a side note Mrs Skilyft loves her Jessie 108’s the quote yesterday was “you’re never selling these”
I’m impressed with how quick edge to edge they are at that size — her skiing has improved significantly since she got on them!
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